Clapper confirms no evidence of contact between Russia and Trump campaign

[spurraider21]

"former" lawyer for a reason

former NSA lawyer. could just be a lawyer that no longer works for the NSA...

[TheSanityAnnex]

former NSA lawyer. could just be a lawyer that no longer works for the NSA...

It was a joke. And she's wrong. A President can order surveillance without a court order.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Through the Attorney general. So no the President cannot order anything

Nice try. You lost. Leave with honor.

[spurraider21]

It was a joke. And she's wrong. A President can order surveillance without a court order.

http://www.saul.com/attorneys/april-f-doss

[DarrinS]

Through the Attorney general. So no the President cannot order anything

Yeah, no one can order it. You ask a judge and he/she grants or rejects the request. FISA only rejects about 0.03%, so they aren't hard to get. It is notable that the one requested in June 2016 was one of those 0.03% rejections.

[djohn2oo8]

It was a joke. And she's wrong. A President can order surveillance without a court order.

You said a President can issue a FISA warrant. You were wrong. And are still wrong. He cannot do anything on his own.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yeah, no one can order it. You ask a judge and he/she grants or rejects the request. FISA only rejects about 0.03%, so they aren't hard to get. It is notable that the one requested in June 2016 was one of those 0.03% rejections.

The President doesn't need a judge to order.

[spurraider21]

I'll miss all your baseless tweets. Bye bye djohn2008





(1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that—
(A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at—
(i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this le; or
(ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this le;
(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and
(C) the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 1801(h) of this le; and
if the Attorney General reports such minimization procedures and any changes thereto to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence at least thirty days prior to their effective date, unless the Attorney General determines immediate action is required and notifies the committees immediately of such minimization procedures and the reason for their becoming effective immediately.


http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@ le50/chapter36&edition=prelim

that's only through the AG, if the AG certifies under oath those specific provisions.

even then, subsection i says it must be "exclusively between or among foreign powers"... or you can go through subsection ii which states it must be technical intelligence from property or premises "under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power"

none of this applies to the trump case at all, unless it is determined that Trump is a foreign power (russia?)

[djohn2oo8]

The President doesn't need a judge to order.

He would still need an AG to certify it in an emergency. So he still can't do it on his own

[DarrinS]

The President doesn't need a judge to order.

I was specifically referring to FISA warrants, since that seems to be what was used.

[spurraider21]

You want to bet your account the President can order a FISA warrant?

and yeah, what you cited to is not a FISA warrant. it bypasses the need for a warrant

[monosylab1k]

GoldenShowerGate

I want a full investigation of all the serious allegations made against you. Only that will prove anything.

[DarrinS]

Let's not be naive tho, the AG is pretty much going to be acquiescent to the POTUS that appointed them.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You said a President can issue a FISA warrant. You were wrong. And are still wrong. He cannot do anything on his own.

This is how the President would cir vent courts and do it on his own.




Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information

[DMX7]

Clapper just said there cant be an investigation there is nothing

LMAO, no he didn't. You're badly and embarrassingly mistaken.

The investigation will proceed. The evidence hasn't even been fully collected for evaluation. We haven't even seen Trump's tax returns for Christ's sake.

[DarrinS]

I want a full investigation of all the serious allegations made against you. Only that will prove anything.

You still aren't making any sense, tbh.

[spurraider21]

Let's not be naive tho, the AG is pretty much going to be acquiescent to the POTUS that appointed them.

unless they've been recused...

[TheSanityAnnex]

that's only through the AG, if the AG certifies under oath those specific provisions.

even then, subsection i says it must be "exclusively between or among foreign powers"... or you can go through subsection ii which states it must be technical intelligence from property or premises "under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power"

none of this applies to the trump case at all, unless it is determined that Trump is a foreign power (russia?)

Never said it applied to Trump case. Was speaking generally to the Presidents powers of surveillance

[pgardn]

Let's not be naive tho, the AG is pretty much going to be acquiescent to the POTUS that appointed them.

Nixon fired his for not towing the line I think.

[djohn2oo8]

This is how the President would cir vent courts and do it on his own. Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information

If the AG doesn't certify then it can't happen. President cannoto do it without that. Cannot do it on his own give it up you have lost. The President doesn't certify it on his own.

[monosylab1k]

You still aren't making any sense, tbh.

These are serious allegations against you. None of which can be dismissed without a full investigation

[Reck]

TSA, you're done. Stop reaching.

It clearly states through the Attorney general. The president cannot go up to the courts himself and ask for said warrant. Only through the proper channels which are in place to follow specific steps.

Even the header (which you not so cleverly decided to not include says..)

Electronic surveillance authorization without court order; certification by Attorney General; reports to Congressional committees; transmittal under seal; duties and compensation of communication common carrier; applications; jurisdiction of court


I'll miss your pointless and random conspiracies. Or not.

[spurraider21]

Never said it applied to Trump case. Was speaking generally to the Presidents powers of surveillance

and even then the passage you cited to does not provide means to get warrant, as your bet suggested. it jumps straight to the surveillance... there's a difference there. under certain cir stances, an officer can arrest people without a warrant. that's not the same as saying the officer got a warrant without a judge

[djohn2oo8]

Goodbye TSA. You have lost.

[TheSanityAnnex]

TSA, you're done. Stop reaching.

It clearly states through the Attorney general. The president cannot go up to the courts himself and ask for said warrant. Only through the proper channels which are in place to follow specific steps.

Even the header (which you not so cleverly decided to not include says..)

Electronic surveillance authorization without court order; certification by Attorney General; reports to Congressional committees; transmittal under seal; duties and compensation of communication common carrier; applications; jurisdiction of court


I'll miss your pointless and random conspiracies. Or not.

The President doesn't need to go to the courts, nor does his attorney general.