Manu leaning towards coming back

[tonight...you]

I don't get why Chinook hates Manu so much if he came back for the minimum to play 10-15mpg i don't see a problem with that...he was the only guy playing his ass off against GS

Yeah, even to the point of calling him a POS.
I was going to say something, but I'm trying to be less argumentative right now.

Doing that Zen and all... Trying to get on that Phil Jackson level where I can fail like crazy and still make tons of money.

[tmtcsc]

You seem to really be struggling with a basic concept. It doesn't matter if Manu's the best 13th man. It doesn't matter if he is the best the Spurs can get for the min. It doesn't matter if a jalopy is the best jalopy you can get for $300. Spend more and stop setting for things that can't get it done.

This should be simple. Spend money and bring in someone better than Manu. That's it. Instead of grasping that, you try to pull out of context to cover up.

Manu showed some flashes in the Rockets and Warriors series but most of his value at this point is in the locker room and team culture aspects. I'm being 100% serious about that. Pop spent that money on Manu as payback for his previous sacrifices and to have his actual presence on the team. KL has real limitations in the leadership category and TP has never been a team guy.

That being said, I'd be shocked if the Spurs payed Manu anything near what they paid him last year. If he wants to come back, it will be on the Spurs' financial terms this go-round.

[TimDunkem]

Even 10 or 15 mpg is too much. If he's playing that many minutes, we're not good enough to even sniff a 6 game series against the Warriors.

[tonight...you]

Even 10 or 15 mpg is too much. If he's playing that many minutes, we're not good enough to even sniff a 6 game series against the Warriors.

As opposed to Patty taking those minutes? Maybe Simmons... if the team budges on his "number in his head"? That will provide the difference?

[SilverSpur]

Coming back as a coach? Only for the minimum. He will help with the development of Murray

[TimDunkem]

As opposed to Patty taking those minutes? Maybe Simmons... if the team budges on his "number in his head"? That will provide the difference?

I don't want Patty either, tbh.

I'm not against Manu coming back. On the contrary, I want him back but he might want too much money AND Pop will certainly overplay him.

[Chinook]

I don't get why Chinook hates Manu so much if he came back for the minimum to play 10-15mpg i don't see a problem with that...he was the only guy playing his ass off against GS

I don't hate Manu, and I don't hate Tony. Just want neither on the team going forward. The Spurs need to actually fix their rotation, especially their backcourt. That means they need to spend money to get a better sixth man than Ginobili.

Yeah, even to the point of calling him a POS.

Never called him that. If you believe I did, you also think that I don't know the difference between $300 and $2.4 Million. The point is that you don't cheap out on things you need by claiming what you settled for is good value for the price. You spend more than $300 on a car, and you spend more than the min on a new sixth man.

[tonight...you]

I don't hate Manu, and I don't hate Tony. Just want neither on the team going forward. The Spurs need to actually fix their rotation, especially their backcourt. That means they need to spend money to get a better sixth man than Ginobili.



Never called him that. If you believe I did, you also think that I don't know the difference between $300 and $2.4 Million. The point is that you don't cheap out on things you need by claiming what you settled for is good value for the price. You spend more than $300 on a car, and you spend more than the min on a new sixth man.

Sorry, you alluded to him as a POS car in your cute little emoji post earlier.
My bad. I must not know the difference between 300 mill and 2.4 now. I hang my head is shame.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

It depends on what the Spurs do to make the space. They'd have plenty of room if they dump LMA for example, and they could use some of that excess on a guard. And if they do trade LMA, would they get a guard back or a pick they'd use on a guard? Would the Spurs re-sign Mills and run Patty/Murray as their backup guards?

It's not clean cut. Right now (meaning barring trades or stretching Tony), it really doesn't look like Paul is an option, but they still will have the cap room to go after other guys.

Signing Paul won't be about money. If Paul comes to the Spurs wouldn't be because the Spurs paid him more. In fact, the Spurs can't pay him more than the Clippers, period. They would have to make draconian moves to make that happen. So, in summary, if Paul joins the Spurs it would be for much less money and it would be because Paul believes he can win a ring with the Spurs as they are - with some minor changes.

The analysis most people are doing regarding cap space to get Paul is flawed for the reasons above.

The Spurs today don't have a reliable ball handler to play playoff-level BB and Manu was the closest thing to that after TP and KL went down. Manu will sign with the Spurs for vet min, he already got his moneybags contract. Manu isn't interested in going to another team for 3-5 more M than what he can get with the Spurs. He will retire a Spur and FO already knows that. They need him in this transitional period.

Most people want Manu out because he's old, that's it. It's illogical any other way to ask for a guy to not be in the roster when the guy was one of the few people who played the offseason decently. If you take the age factor out of the conversation everyone would be ok with Manu coming back.

Stop being ridiculous.

[Chinook]

Signing Paul won't be about money.

Stop being ridiculous.

You already said it for me.

[ElNono]

so, he's getting a raise, amiright?

[sasaint]

Chris Paul is not worthy of Max money. I hope the Spurs don't burn all their space on him. I'd like him on the team for 20 to 25 Mill at most.

THAT ain't happening! Might as well say you don't want Paul.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't think Green is going anywhere. The whole point of Spurs/Paul alliance would be to have strongest team possible and trading away Green flies in the face of that.

If he signs, the most logical scenario would be a 1+1 contract worth $25M in 1st season, opting out after and signing a 4 year max. He'd make "only" $10M less than Clippers can offer.

I hope this is the case.

[PopTheGOAT]

So a wasted year of Kawhi's prime? Cool.

So what do you suggest in order to not "waste a year"?

[spursistan]

That's a pretty re ed anology, tbh.

First of all, Manu isn't a piece of . In fact, he's probably the best car available at 300 hundred bucks.

And second, the Spurs are already planning on not settling and paying more, a lot more, for a guard. Just on the PG position, which is a much bigger need than SG.

Dude, you want to sign Okafor. You really shouldn't be arguing so hard about rosters moves considering that if you were the Spurs GM Kawhi would probably not be in San Antonio because of lack of respect, tbh.

"Danny Green is a better defender than Kawhi".
Aldridge should be the number one option over Kawhi".

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Chinook is great capologist, maybe best on ST, but holy he sucks at talent evaluation ..

[apalisoc_9]

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Chinook is great capologist, maybe best on ST, but holy he sucks at talent evaulation ..

Yup

[apalisoc_9]

I'd love to have manu back if he understands that he's going to have a smaller role than last year.

10-12 mpg and I'd welcome back the second best Argentine athlete behind Diego.

[sasaint]

Yeah, even to the point of calling him a POS.
I was going to say something, but I'm trying to be less argumentative right now.

Doing that Zen and all... Trying to get on that Phil Jackson level where I can fail like crazy and still make tons of money.

AAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

[bklynspursfan]

Have we established this yet? I haven't seen it. Also, local news reported that Manu may take much longer to decide. If that's the case, he'd probably have to weigh taking much less than he made this year.

Yea, apparently Woj said it in his article re: Pau

There have been positive indications recently that Ginobili, 39, is leaning toward returning for his 16th season with San Antonio, but no final decision has been made, league sources said.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-pau...150055120.html

[Taking it to the Hole]

So we are leaning towards wasting another year of Kawhi's prime I suppose? Instead of cap flexibility it seems PATFO want cap inflexibility. Sometimes I think they are deliberately sabotaging the organization.

[picnroll]

If Manu waits and absorbs what salary is left after the Spurs make their moves I'm all for it.

[cd98]

Weird. On one hand, he played well to close out the season. On the other, he will only get worse as he gets older and I'm not excited about the day when I hope he never leaves the bench. Oh well, he is a leader and if we have international players, he tends to be a role model. I think he and Patty are why foreign born players love it here. I guess that can't be a bad thing.

[palangi]

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Chinook is great capologist, maybe best on ST, but holy he sucks at talent evaluation ..

Been saying this for a while

[tmtcsc]

So we are leaning towards wasting another year of Kawhi's prime I suppose? Instead of cap flexibility it seems PATFO want cap inflexibility. Sometimes I think they are deliberately sabotaging the organization.

I think they are in "Win Now" mode to be honest. This needs to play out first before we can correctly judge the F.O.'s intentions. Are they not creating cap space in order to try and win now? If they were to waste a year, I imagine they would go cheap and let 2017-2018 play out in hopes of scoring big in 2018 FA.

I want them to move TP's contract next. Just a straight salary dump. I wouldn't mind seeing Danny Green stay but he should come off the bench. He's not starter material. Spurs need more scoring threat from that position.

[cjw]

Like $2.4 Million

But irrelevant as they'll sign him after FA is over and can go over cap then.

Hear you on not wanting to punt guard for another year, but name an option on the market that won't cost an arm and a leg. SG looks bad.