Have you realized just how awful Simmons numbers are?

[MannyIsGod]

Simmon's "not ing pussy in the playoffs-step up in big games" best is still pretty bad, tbh.

Those numbers are "pretty bad"? Really?

[DAF86]

Simmons is at his absolute best when he's not sharing the floor with Ginobili, and that's a fact. Same problem Joseph had since they're both better with the ball than without.

When gin"0points"bili was making an appearance in the playoffs, Pop decided to let Simmons be the 6th man and Juice thrived. Then he got inserted in the starting lineup and again thrived.

It's understandable why an Argie made this thread. #1, he wants his boy back and getting paid over JSimms. #2, the rise of Simmons might finally keep his idol on the bench for good.

Simmons isn't a threat to Manu.

First of all because Manu is still a better player than Simmoms but also because if Manu comes back is because he knows he's going to play.

In fact, what will probably happen is that both, Manu and Simmons, sign with the Spurs and both see rotation minutes as the two wings off the bench, tbh.

My dislike of Simmons has nothing to do with Manu and everything to do with his lack of game. I'm not totally against signing Simmons since the other free agency options at wing suck as much as him, but I am, however, against signing him for more than 5 millions per year, since we can sign guys who are as bad as him for much less than that, tbh.

[DAF86]

Those numbers are "pretty bad"? Really?

Yeah, when the best ball you have played in your career isn't good enough to at least reach league average level impact, you aren't very good, tbh.

[DAF86]

Tbh, sounds like Fatty Mills who needs said 40 year old to run the offense for him. Unfortunately, he got 50 million.

Yeah well, another ty contract, tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

I shouldn't even get into this one because folks are going to think I have ulterior motives for the Simmons' bashing but...

Manu > Simmons

Manu at the min for one year >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simmons for 9/10 mil a year for three seasons.

......

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, when the best ball you have played in your career isn't good enough to at least reach league average level impact, you aren't very good, tbh.

The best you've played in your career against possibly the best team in decades and one of the best ever with no one else on your team to help you out. Context. And that wasn't the best, those are averages. You're using stats in a really dishonest way and then trying to be all "its the stats not my Manu love!" I hope both come back but you're "analysis" here is at best a troll and at worst a really ty job of using stats. A good deal of Simmon's contract is giong to be based on potential, not past performance. If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.

[DAF86]

His play in the playoffs probably was overrated, but I don't care. The league is now about finding as many two-way mid sized players as possible. He's clearly not afraid of the moment and looks like a possible 6th-8th man and 3rd wing. It's well worth it to give him the type of contract MaNu4Tres suggested and see if he can become that. They need to do everything in their power to increase their upside.




Even if that were true, it's irrelevant. He can physically guard his position. It's not about having a bunch of lockdown defenders (it's almost impossible to play defense in this league now anyway), it's about having as few liabilities as possible.

What folks don't realize is that Simmons is an offensive liabilty. He can't shoot and his "playmaking habilities" give the Spurs as many assists as turnovers.

[MannyIsGod]

I honestly don't get why people are all up in arms over contracts (and potential contracts ) that are extremely movable in trades. None of the contracts the Spurs have had this offseason nor any that Simmons might get are going to be in any way a hinderance to them in order to free space in the future because they'll all be easy to move. Anyone ing over these contracts needs to look around the league at actual bad contracts before doing so.

[MannyIsGod]

What folks don't realize is that Simmons is an offensive liabilty. He can't shoot and his "playmaking habilities" give the Spurs as many assists as turnovers.

The playoff stats you posted were a nearly 3:1 Assist to TO ratio. Want to try again?

[tonight...you]

I honestly don't get why people are all up in arms over contracts (and potential contracts ) that are extremely movable in trades. None of the contracts the Spurs have had this offseason nor any that Simmons might get are going to be in any way a hinderance to them in order to free space in the future because they'll all be easy to move. Anyone ing over these contracts needs to look around the league at actual bad contracts before doing so.

Good post.

[Blake]

Manny sighting

How you been

[DAF86]

The best you've played in your career against possibly the best team in decades and one of the best ever with no one else on your team to help you out. Context. And that wasn't the best, those are averages. You're using stats in a really dishonest way and then trying to be all "its the stats not my Manu love!" I hope both come back but you're "analysis" here is at best a troll and at worst a really ty job of using stats. A good deal of Simmon's contract is giong to be based on potential, not past performance. If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.

"Context"

Son, under the exact same cir stances Manu and Green (just to name the other SG's of the team) posted much better numbers. What's the excuse there?

I'm done trying to explain this to guys that go exclusively by their subjective eye test and don't even bother trying to complement that with the analysis of stats that have proven year after year to be great tools when looking at the contribution of a particular player.

[DAF86]

I honestly don't get why people are all up in arms over contracts (and potential contracts ) that are extremely movable in trades. None of the contracts the Spurs have had this offseason nor any that Simmons might get are going to be in any way a hinderance to them in order to free space in the future because they'll all be easy to move. Anyone ing over these contracts needs to look around the league at actual bad contracts before doing so.

I doubt Simmons for 10 millions per year for three seasons would be as easy to move as you think, tbh. And those 10 millions you will have committed to Simmons for the next offseason could make the difference between getting, or not getting, a good player in the next offseason.

[MannyIsGod]

"Context"

Son, under the exact same cir stances Manu and Green (just to name the other SG's of the team) posted much better numbers. What's the excuse there?

I'm done trying to explain this to guys that go exclusively by their subjective eye test and don't even bother trying to complement that with the analysis of stats that have proven year after year to be great tools when looking at the contribution of a particular player.

[MannyIsGod]

Simmons shot better than both, from 2 and from 3. Got to the line more. Was a bit worse on the boards. Pretty close to A:T as Manu which is allegedly his best aspect now. Handily outscored both. So yeah, stats.

[MannyIsGod]

"much better numbers"

[MannyIsGod]

Ill give you this, Manu kicks his ass in the is from Argentina category.

[DAF86]

Yeah, so? I'm talking about stats that actually show how much a guy contributes to his team actually winning games, tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

Also a 3 year deal for Simmons at 10 per with the 3rd being a team option would be easy as to move. But he's not going to get 10 million per so I'm not sure why we're starting the discussion there.

[SAGirl]

Also a 3 year deal for Simmons at 10 per with the 3rd being a team option would be easy as to move. But he's not going to get 10 million per so I'm not sure why we're starting the discussion there.

What do you think he gets?
Spurs could offer I think close to 9 million due to CBA rules. Others are better at that than I am but have seen that everywhere (it may be an approximation). Anyways to pry him away while he's restricted the offer has to be for significantly more, just a slight uptick is nothing to pause over.

He may may not get pried away IMO. The market has dried out... we should know in a couple of days is my guess.

[TD 21]

What folks don't realize is that Simmons is an offensive liabilty. He can't shoot and his "playmaking habilities" give the Spurs as many assists as turnovers.

I clearly meant defensively.

[bic50]

But his dunks tho

[dabom]

I'd pay simmons 20-30 mil/3 year deal.

[dabom]

Why is it the same god awful people arguing against common sense?

[DAF86]

Simmons shot better than both, from 2 and from 3. Got to the line more. Was a bit worse on the boards. Pretty close to A:T as Manu which is allegedly his best aspect now. Handily outscored both. So yeah, stats.

Yet Manu and Green posted above 2 pts of BPM and Simmons was a negative 0.4. If with all those raw stats being in favour of Simmoms he still managed to be more than 2 pts below the other SGs in the team and finish below the league average, you have to realize that there's something about his game that just doesn't translate to winning basketball, tbh. To me it's pretty clear to see what because I don't let myself get easily fooled by dunks and blocks and a mean face, but for those who do get easily fooled by those things they should try to pay a little more attention to these kind of advanced stats, imvho.