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Well unless we try to trade everybody in the offseason I think the Spurs have to make a move to aquire bird rights on one of those 3-and-D wings who are free agents in the offseason. That would help the team immediately.
He's the perfect 3-and-D player for this team and we most likely can't sign him with cap space in free agency. We would have to use bird rights, which means a trade before the deadline has to happen.
Well unless we try to trade everybody in the offseason I think the Spurs have to make a move to aquire bird rights on one of those 3-and-D wings who are free agents in the offseason. That would help the team immediately.
Trade Aldridge
Nobody wants him. Tanking teams don't want a veteran who is going to dominate the offense and whine about touches and no playoffs team is going to reconfigure their offense for a mid range big man. He's too old, too whiney to trade for anything other than late first round picks or bad contacts.
that’s who i wanted the spurs to draft with their 26th pick.
I wanted him and Tobias + picks + (probably not this last part) Mills salary dump in a Kawhi trade.
Be that as it may, you don't just go moving your STAR PLAYER around because you want to make some theoretical roster notion work. That's unless we've wandered totally into lala land, where we can draft an elf and an ice dragon, and give them magical swords in place of a basketball.
Leave our STAR PLAYER alone. Stop it.
DDR is our STAR PLAYER. Stop it. If you don't stop trying to push our star player around, I'm gonna call the cops!... You don't arbitrarily bench Walker for the next two or three years simply because you don't want DeRozan to be the third-tallest player on the court for the Spurs. ...
We don't need DDR at the 3. We need a brand new NBA 3, a good one, to replace last year's broken down model. For which we got stuck, with no warranty, dammit.
He is currently NOT PLAYING, and we do not know for a fact that he ever will. We only hope so. When he does, we do not know yet whether he'll turn out to be hot or hot trash, as an actual fact.... Lonnie is currently the team's best chance to dramatically increase their talent level.
You're pushing aside our proven star player for an injured rookie who might only turn out to be the next version of Kyle Anderson, for all we truly know at this time.
Maybe I'm the odd one out, but my interest in discussions like this has to do with ways for the Spurs to win real games. I don't care at all about some purely hypothetical outcome in a fantasy game.
What is this discussion about? Are we trying to be real, or not?
We do not make DDR adjust to accomodate a rookie. The rookie just has to fit in as best he can. Is all I'm saying.
I think PATFO wings it like a mockingbird. Look, there's something shiny! As for money, they seem to handle it about the same way Venezuela does....
I don't think PATFO gave Bertans that much money with the idea that he was on thin ice. ...
Sane management would move Bertans out. What the Spurs will do.....
Well, we know, don't we. They'll give Bertans a nickname, like The Red Cobra, put him in HEB commercials, send him into two games a year, at the last minute, to try a 3, and if he makes the 3, the pa announcer will scream, the Red Cobra strikes again!
Oh god.
Bertans and Ferrari are not significant to winning in comparison to a good NBA level 3. Especially, they leak like a sieve on D, and the D is the Spurs' major worry this year.If the Spurs plan to win, they won't move any of these three this year unless part of something like a Porter trade. ...
Ah, Porter. We'll never get him. If the Spurs get stuck with what they have it'll be for the simple reason that they don't have the management ability to get anybody better.
Spacing my foot. They seem to be mostly good at spacing the floor for the other team at the defensive end.
Aha, that explains Patty! Patty, why did you let that guy with the ball run right by you? I was spacing the floor! No, Patty, you're supposed to do that at the other end.
This year is the only year. The Great Meteor will strike next summer and we're all going to die. Oops, I wasn't supposed to reveal that. Forget I said that....
If we're specifically talking about flipping the team over to try to win as fast as possible, then moving role-players to free up cap and get an asset or two is a pretty solid step.
Consecutive 50 win seasons, gone. Consecutive playoff appearances, gone too?? I do not want to see that happen. I do not want to watch the Spurs decline to live among the league's bottom dwellers. Not even for one season. Not ever.
Think it's tough getting players for a "small market" team that had 50 wins last year? Try getting them for a team that had 25.
In the past, with a solid, stable core, the Spurs had the luxury of being able to do their infamous player development as a kind of lab exercise. They'd bring in some ungainly creature, from lord knows where, poke him and probe him, and see if they could somehow turn him into an NBA player. In those days, it didn't much matter if the experiment failed, because the core always held.
Now it matters. The old core is gone.
Hey y'know, I saw some video of a kid in Europe who looked interesting. He's kind of awkward and unathletic, but he's got a really nice touch on a 3 pointer! You don't say? That's fascinating. Now go yourself.
The team is the players. We need better ones. Winners. ASAP.
I wouldn't play DeRozan at SF too much, it takes away his size advantage that he has in the post when he plays against SGs. I think all the Spurs need is 3 3-and-D SFs. Ship out Gasol, Mills, Bertans, Belinelli and bring in something like Demarre Carroll, Stanley Johnson, a SF in the draft and a 3rd string Center and the team should look promising, while also having enough youth with upside
LA/Poeltl
Carroll/Gay
Johnson/Rookie
DeRozan/Walker
Murray/White
Totally suck for decades like GS and gather lottery picks along the way. These late round picks and average FAs will keep us middling for years to come.
going on the Jerry West Clippers route seems like an imo option. Create the deepest roster in the league where your bench is as good as your starting team, your ceiling may not be the tallest (with Pop who knows what it really would be?), But his floor is much taller (Denver 12/13 is another example)
Spurs could look at Gali from Clippers. It will take Gasol plus a contract for the figures to get it done. Clippers may take that without a pick just to clear up space
Someone like Johnson isn't going to stop teams from putting their SFs on DeRozan. Cross-matches are already a thing, and the team will both have to deal with them (like they did when GS would put Klay on Tony back in the day) and benefit from them (like they did when they put Green on Curry in that same day). It's frustrating to hear people complain about "moving" DeRozan. He's not being moved; Pop is just playing better players next to him. You don't not play your best guys just because you want to stick with archaic position designations. Pop understood that with Tim. With both DeRozan and Aldridge Pop has been willing to play small or to play big depending on the situation. The situation right now is that the roster's potential lies in its back court. Walker, Murray and White should all be playing as much as possible. Aldridge and Gay should play at positions that give them the best advantage, and that comes from them playing small.
Even if the team traded for Porter, it makes sense to put Porter at the four and still play the guard rotation as is.
GS:
Curry --- Murray
Thompson --- DeRozan
Durant --- Porter
Green --- Walker
Cousins --- Aldridge
HOU:
Paul --- Murray
Harden --- Walker
Tucker --- DeRozan
Anthony --- Porter
Capela --- Aldridge
UTH:
Rubio --- Murray
Mitc --- Walker
Ingles --- Porter
Crowder --- DeRozan
Gobert --- Aldridge
LAL:
Ball --- Murray
Hart --- DeRozan
Kuzma --- Walker
James --- Porter
McGee --- Aldridge
I could go on. Yes, there are a couple of teams like Toronto where Pop would either have to go a bit bigger or have Walker or DeRozan check Leonard instead of Porter doing it. But the reason why I mentioned the need for a "defensive forward" and not specifically a small-forward is because of this shift front courts around the league. Most of the best SFs either play the four nowadays or they play next to a stretch-four that DeRozan could check. He doesn't have to play the two to avoid those match-ups. Moreover, the small-ball trend has made it easier for teams to get size on whomever they want. Just as the Spurs would be able to slide DeRozan around wherever to avoid bad match-ups, other teams can (and have during DeMar's Toronto stint) moved guys around to make sure DeRozan has a guy with size in front of him at all times.
A couple of bad years to land in the lottery and get lucky to land a franchise player. This was the recipe for success in the past.
Draft Tim Duncan
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