I'm seeing quite a lot of different perspectives in this forum, so I thought this topic deserves its own thread. Hopefully we can have a productive discussion. While some say we should blow it up and clean house, I would say keep Derozan, LA and Gay around to stay compe ive and just keep stacking young talent under 25. A young core of Murray/White/Walker/Metu/Poetl/Bertans looks quite promising. The only thing we are really missing are 1 or better 2 SFs and maybe a 3-and-D SG a la Danny Green which PATFO might even be able to find without a draft pick. Additionally we got 2 first round picks for next years draft which could be packaged to move up.
I think key is definitely getting rid of Gasol and Mills contracts, that is probably the one thing we all agree on. Then use cap space to sign 3-and-D wings to pair with Derozan/Aldridge. I'd say internal development is the way to go and it's what the Spurs are best at. Pop should give all the young guys playing time. Lock all of them in on cheap long term contracts. At worst they can still be used as trade assets.
I would say signing Kawhi Leonard to a free agent deal next summer would be a step in that direction.
will send to PATFO as soon as possible, hope they read it.
I was thinking about this last night. Waiting out the Dubs seems to be like the best possible strategy. Although unless we attract a top tier free agent it might be a failing plan. Building through the draft would seem like the most realistic option but the problem there is the Spurs rarely have high draft picks. We can't build a contender with late 20s picks. Maybe try and move LMA and DD for a top pick? Although I'm not sure how realistic that would be. In conclusion, who the knows?that's why RC gets paid the big bucks.
By the way Spurs ain't winning a le with LMA and DD, them is just facts.
They have 2 picks. I'd say if they can't sign a big time free agent (which they most likely can't sign) they might just take on one of those bad contracts due to the cap jump. Some type of reclamation project. Somebody that's overpaid, but Pop could plug in and still get decent value out of. And with that aquire a pick or 2 while moving Mills/Gasol. Just having 2 picks in the 20 range should be enough to move up to 15-18 where they might be able to find another diamond in the rough.I was thinking about this last night. Waiting out the Dubs seems to be like the best possible strategy. Although unless we attract a top tier free agent it might be a failing plan. Building through the draft would seem like the most realistic option but the problem there is the Spurs rarely have high draft picks. We can't build a contender with late 20s picks. Maybe try and move LMA and DD for a top pick? Although I'm not sure how realistic that would be. In conclusion, who the knows?
if they had a legit #1 option while those are options 2 and 3 they couldBy the way Spurs ain't winning a le with LMA and DD, them is just facts.
Assuming the warriors disband, otherwise no.
Good thread.
We need to attract one more star. That would go a long way to helping us.
But If we had completely healthy players this year it would be much easier to analyze certain things. Is Murray the future? Can white be an effective player? Does Walkers game translate to the nba level? But with these injuries were left guessing if those players will be good enough for us.
I really like our trio of gay DeRozan and Aldridge. But gay should be a bench guy, like manu.
The only positive I've seen so far this year with the unknowns is Forbes. If he can gain experience this year he may someone that fits better in the starting lineup with DeRozan leading the point. Then have Murray come off the bench to the lead the 2nd unit with gay. I wouldn't mind that as long as Forbes continues to improve like he has been.
I feel we have enough scorers, we need a defensive guy. Cunningham is our guy for right now but I wouldn't mind getting someone who struggles to score but can get it done in the defensive end and is a hustle player. Obviously if they were a 2 way player it would be better but they would be pricier.
We need to get rid of Mills. Someway, somehow. Knicks? Can you do us a favor and take him? Even if we got nothing back. I dont care this would be addition by subtraction. Sorry patty, I'll always love you for 2014 but you gots to go.
Pau is an old big man that could be serviceable if he was like the 3rd or 4th big man. I'm glad hes not starting. I'd rather crash and burn with poeltl. At least then we can see what we have and dont have with poeltl.
Belinelli is fine, although we need more defense for him to look okay. Otherwise he just adds to our lack of defense. And stop with the I'll advised shots. Play smart basketball. I'm okay him staying or leaving either way.
But I would go all out to try and find someone to trade with during the season. But make sure its Pau or mills your giving up. If you gotta include bertans, and some picks to get some wing players that can play some D then so be it.
I hate tanking. BUT I would think it would be a blessing in disguise if both DeRozan and Aldridge got hurt somehow. Then we just tank and not say were wasting a year of their prime. And then we get a lotto pick and get Murray back. Next year would look a lot more promising.
I agree that we keep LMA/DDR/Gay for the next 3 years (hope DDR opts-in with promise of another contract and sign Gay for 2 years with Early Bird rights after this season) in order to stay compe ive. After this season, Murray will be healthy again and I think the Warriors will fall apart as I really think Klay's dad wants him to get a real contract with the Lakers and Durant will then go elsewhere. Kawhi will almost certainly go to the Clippers. I think we should keep Gasol for both years because there's already been a lot of roster turnover and he can mentor our young bigs. Next off-season, trade both picks and Forbes for a better pick so that we can draft a young, tall SF. De'Andre Hunter has been talked about as a possibility. Don't re-sign either Dante or Q-Pon and instead bring in Blossomgame and Milutinov. I think this seems likely considering Blossomgame is back in Austin-an informal agreement may be in place and if he can develop a 3-ball, he instantly becomes much more valuable. Next year's rotation would be:
Murray/DDR/pick/LMA/Gasol
White/Walker/Gay/Bertans/Poetl
Mills/Marco/Blossomgame/Metu/Milutinov
After the 2019-2020 season, you'd have to think that one of Poetl or Milutinov works out well enough to replace Gasol once he retires. Maybe also replace Marco and Bertans. In any case by the summer of 2020 our oldest player will be LMA (35) and we will need to do new contracts with Murray and Poeltl. Maybe Murray's injury lets us re-sign him on the cheap as was the case with Curry.
Tbh I think we were very freaking close this year before all the injuries hit. We have a point guard who is long and athletic and disruptive on defense and who also was hitting open shots. We have a shooting guard who is all offense and covers up for the lack of play-making from our point guard. We have an all star 4 who can slide to the 5. Make Rudy Gay our PF. We have a good bench with Lonnie Derrick Marco Bertans and if we can ever teach Poetl how to play basketball, he should be a good rim protector. We are just missing a SF and we have 2 drft picks to find one.
I'd have to agree.By the way Spurs ain't winning a le with LMA and DD, them is just facts.
To win a le they probably need to tank, they need a player that is not currently in this roster.
DeMar could have a role on a le contending Spurs team. LMA will end up being an aging ring-chaser and possibly ring like DWest finally did with a stacked team that didn't really need him.By the way Spurs ain't winning a le with LMA and DD, them is just facts.
break durrants legs
actually gs will break down soon
they are not maxing klay and green IMO
sell the team to someone who would actually hold PATFO accountable tbh.
other then gs what team has done more and won more les recently then the spurs
murray looks great
someone in office said something that leonard got upset at
I do not think it was rc
that person could have or should have been fired
but it could have been something that leonard should have moved on
The 5 Stages of Grief
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
Moving the team to Seattle
And bring Javtokas in already ffs.
i don’t see the spurs winning with la and demar either... they’re both second options.
What player that's obtainable do you think could get the Spurs back in the mix of things? Butler?By the way Spurs ain't winning a le with LMA and DD, them is just facts.
Lets see, we've already made a hash of the previous 2 off-seasons.
[spoiler = Bad Decisions].
2 years ago, the Mills contract - he's not a starter guy, so don't pay him like starter guy, The Pau contract - although the tea-leaves suggest that was a "opt out and we will take care of you deal", he should have got 18.3, 19.5 (partially guaranteed), rather than 16, 16, 16 (partially guaranteed). Not being sufficiently aggressive in the depressed FA market for my liking - a full MLE to lock down a good FA, (yeah, Rudy Gay would have been a good choice, or Tyreke Evans).
This year - Danny Green vs Mills as the Kawhi fill in (or not getting either Delon Wright or OG Anunoby back as well), Bertans over Anderson for essentially the same year to year money. (Yeah, people don't like Kyle - but Bertans is giving us 16 mpg, while Anderson is averaging 22, with a roster hole in front of Bertans: a desperate need for wing depth and defense. Which Anderson spent the previous year providing effectively, at 26.7 mpg vs 14.1). And again, Not being sufficiently aggressive in the depressed FA market for my liking - a full MLE to lock down a good FA, (again, Tyreke Evans), vs spending the money on Beli...
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Ok, for the foreseeable future, the FA market is going to have money - not like the last 2 seasons, so to make useful noise, we would need caps space. Which isn't to likely without moving Pau and Mills.
But in the longer term, you generally need one of the top 5 players in the NBA to compete. (There is also a pretty much 1 to 1 correlation with a having a #1 to #3 overall on the roster, and the potential to win - Consider the last 20 years Durant (2nd pick, 2 rings), Lebron (1st, 4 rings), Bogut (1st, 1), Duncan (1st, 5), Chandler & Kidd (both 2nd, 1), Pau (3ed, 2), Celtics in 08 were an exception, Billups (3ed, 1 Also Darko 2nd, 1), Shaq (1st, 4), and in 1998, MJ (3ed, 6 going back to more than 20 years ago).) .
For the Spurs, that means draft picks (We have pursued players like in FA : Durant - Warriors, Chris Paul-Rockets, Lebron (prior to the Kawhi fiasco) - Lakers, back in the day we were in for Jason Kidd - back to NJ. It never seems to work though...). If this years team is as bad as I dread, we get a lottery pick this season, and should be sellers at the deadline... Unfortunately, the draft can be a crapshoot, so this may be a long project. Also, I think PATFO is looking at hanging them up soon, and won’t want to have a longer term rebuild project, so they will try to compete, thus tread-milling rather than rebuilding…
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