Barring Lucking Into A Superstar In Draft, Spurs Will Be A Treadmill Team Until Pop/Buford Retire

[BatManu20]

Spurs will not tank. Too much culture. We will remain an average team for another year or two before changes are made imo (i.e. Pop retiring, trading LMA, etc etc).

[J_Paco]

Yes, by choice. No one had a gun to their head, forcing them to accept the horrific offer they did. No, the bigger issue is the amount of blatant missteps they've made since '15. They lucked into a superstar, star and two lottery type talents in recent drafts. Maybe that s bag's sleazy uncle would have brainwashed him anyway, but had they began to tailor their precious culture to a more modern one, maybe that never happens.

12 games or not, the way they're going about it suggests they either haven't adjusted to and/or refuse to accept basketball in this era.

I said likely picking. Looks like a few mid round picks (10-20) upcoming.

The roster was foolish from the start.

Wrong. Players can adjust. Every other prominent jump shooting big from Aldridge's era was forced to migrate to 3 years ago. DeRozan finally started shooting a decent amount of 3's last season and now he's reverted to previous form.

"Nephew" was picked in '11 and most of the development took place from then until '15, which is the exact year the league began to leave this organization in the dust.

Spoilage because apologists like yourself, who worship at the Pop/Buford altar, can't take off the role colored glasses and admit that they've done an atrocious job since '15.

Weren't they just in the WCF two years ago?! Dispatching of the Rockets, the most "modern" team in the NBA, in six games. Who are also looking like they are going to implode (with a bigger albatross in Paul's contract) after only 3/4 years "on top."

Seems like you just for ing sake. Every ing team in the NBA, sans Golden State, has made poor decisions in recent years (Boston signing Hayward, Philadelphia drafting Fultz or trading for Butler and so on), so Pop and R.C. aren't immune to that.

They've also made some savvy decisions like drafting the three young guards, plucking Dedmon away from Orlando (but didn't retain), finding Simmons from literal obscurity (but also not retaining) and so forth.

Clearly, this current roster was poorly constructed but that is a given when the two most ball dominant players are mid range shooters (as is/was Kawhi), they were (stupidly) hoping beyond reason Kawhi would stay and the roster (again, stupidly) was being built with that slime chance in mind.

Anyway, y'all just like to cry like babies about everything and poo poo all of Pop's (mostly good) decisions.

I distinctly remember you and Hoops ing and moaning even in 2013 and 2014.

[DAF86]

I think they had that talent in the past. If you understand physiology, an athlete's physical peak is at 27. The athleticism falls off of a cliff at about 31, unless you're a juicer like LeBron. Both of those players are well past their sell by date, as shown by their crappy stats this year. I don't see Cunningham as 'the solution', but he's a better stop gap than either of those other two.

Cunningham is 31.

Besides, I think those numbers need some checking. To me it's clear that the life-span, as well as the prime window, of players has been extended.

Also, you have to be kidding with that last statement about Cunningham being better than Ariza or Carroll. Ariza is one year removed from being vital cog of an almost championship team. Carroll is a 40% 3 pt shooter and a more talented player than Dante at pretty much everything.

[DAF86]

Reality might help us from navigating on mediocreness for years to come.

[Mugen]

Mediocreness? This team is a bottom 3 NBA squad when Rudy ing Gay doesn't play

[r0drig0lac]

Cunningham is 31.

Besides, I think those numbers need some checking. To me it's clear that the life-span, as well as the prime window, of players has been extended.

Also, you have to be kidding with that last statement about Cunningham being better than Ariza or Carroll. Ariza is one year removed from being vital cog of an almost championship team. Carroll is a 40% 3 pt shooter and a more talented player than Dante at pretty much everything.

and he is not, Cun's best is not better than the worst of these two guys

[Hoops Czar]

When did I ever make that assertion, idiot? Clearly, I would like one or both to become solid starters, if not, stars but it depends on a lot of factors. And they have the raw talent to be successful in the NBA, obviously or they wouldn't have been drafted, now it is about the hard work and results they can get out of it.

Sorry, I'm not a cry baby, toxic fan like yourself. Talking down management, coaching staff and young talent and believing all the (recent) historical success is based entirely on "luck."

There's dense and then there's J_paco level dense. YOU didn't make that assertation, you agreed with a post that did. Solid starters is a far cry from s om. I expect both to be somewhat successful but doubt either of them will be stars.

They drafted Nando De Colo and he didn't become a star. They drafted Dejuan Blair and he didn't become a star. They drafted Liveo-Jean Charles and he didn't become a star. They drafted Leon Smith ahead of Manu Ginobili in the 1999 draft and he didn't become a star. He did however end up in a psych ward. None of those guys had raw NBA talent but they were still drafted by the Spurs. I could add guys like Adam Hanga, Ryan Richards, Cady Lalanne, Jordan McRae, Deshaun Thomas, etc. that never had the talent to play in the NBA but they were still drafted by the Spurs. The Grand theft NBA draft award goes to the Spurs.

You're not a crybaby but you've been crying in this thread for the past three days. Tim Duncan is the Spurs historical succes, a slam dunk #1 pick. Without him, you can count the number of Spurs championships on your fist. And all this transpired because David Robinson went down with a season ending injury the year before. Yeah, that's luck.

[Hoops Czar]

I think they had that talent in the past. If you understand physiology, an athlete's physical peak is at 27. The athleticism falls off of a cliff at about 31, unless you're a juicer like LeBron. Both of those players are well past their sell by date, as shown by their crappy stats this year. I don't see Cunningham as 'the solution', but he's a better stop gap than either of those other two.

Aldridge is 33.

[Uriel]

As I've been saying from the start, we should've kept Leonard, won 60 games, made the WCF, and then offered him the supermax in the summer. There's no way he would've walked away from that.

[Hoops Czar]

As I've been saying from the start, we should've kept Leonard, won 60 games, made the WCF, and then offered him the supermax in the summer. There's no way he would've walked away from that.

This team wasn't winning 60 games with Leonard. Are people really this delusional?

[pad300]

After tonight, I think you're wrong. Any team that loses to the Suns that badly, is tanking not treadmilling....

[Mugen]

Crickets from the Pop/RC suckers tonight

[Keepin' it real]

All treadmills are NOT created equally.

[J_Paco]

There's dense and then there's J_paco level dense. YOU didn't make that assertation, you agreed with a post that did. Solid starters is a far cry from s om. I expect both to be somewhat successful but doubt either of them will be stars.

They drafted Nando De Colo and he didn't become a star. They drafted Dejuan Blair and he didn't become a star. They drafted Liveo-Jean Charles and he didn't become a star. They drafted Leon Smith ahead of Manu Ginobili in the 1999 draft and he didn't become a star. He did however end up in a psych ward. None of those guys had raw NBA talent but they were still drafted by the Spurs. I could add guys like Adam Hanga, Ryan Richards, Cady Lalanne, Jordan McRae, Deshaun Thomas, etc. that never had the talent to play in the NBA but they were still drafted by the Spurs. The Grand theft NBA draft award goes to the Spurs.

You're not a crybaby but you've been crying in this thread for the past three days. Tim Duncan is the Spurs historical succes, a slam dunk #1 pick. Without him, you can count the number of Spurs championships on your fist. And all this transpired because David Robinson went down with a season ending injury the year before. Yeah, that's luck.

You are a straight up buffoon, man.

Complaining that a team that annually drafted in the late first round didn't make all the players into stars. You are just a plain idiot, man.

I would waste my time looking up the data for how many players become all-stars being drafted after the lottery, but it is clear as day that you are an en led, spoiled, idiotic old man with no perspective on the NBA (or a delusional one).

Just be happy and thankful that Duncan helped lead the team the 5 championships. Obviously, don't want you having an aneurysm with the "anger" you have towards Pop/R.C. and all their success.

If your still alive by then I'm sure you be at his hall of fame induction handing out pamphlets that state it was all "luck," someone else scouted the guy (no , LOL) and I could done it better, damn it.

LMAO

I'm done with your goofy ass, man.

[DAF86]

This team wasn't winning 60 games with Leonard. Are people really this delusional?

I don't know if 60 but White, Forbes, Mills, Green, Kawhi, Gay, Aldridge, Bertans, Gasol, Walker is easily a top 3 team in this watered down league, probably top 2 since Toronto wouldn't be as good as it is right now without wingstop.

[Hoops Czar]

You are a straight up buffoon, man.

Complaining that a team that annually drafted in the late first round didn't make all the players into stars. You are just a plain idiot, man.

I swear if Trump doesn't get moving on that wall, I'm going to start a GoFundMe account on his behalf.

old.

Just be happy and thankful that Duncan helped lead the team the 5 championships.

Didn't I just say that clown shoes? The FO made two players into stars, Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard. And if it wasn't for Sam Presti bringing in TP, we'd probably have Antonio Daniels running the show for 12 years. Manu wasn't developed by the Spurs, he was developed overseas. That's kind of the theory behind draft and stash. Let somebody else do the heavy lifting and let RC and Pop take the credit.

[Kurgan]

Cunningham is 31.

Besides, I think those numbers need some checking. To me it's clear that the life-span, as well as the prime window, of players has been extended.

Also, you have to be kidding with that last statement about Cunningham being better than Ariza or Carroll. Ariza is one year removed from being vital cog of an almost championship team. Carroll is a 40% 3 pt shooter and a more talented player than Dante at pretty much everything.

exstatic is one of those deluded posters that will defend every move the front office makes. Once upon a time, Spurstalk used to mock subpar players like Cunningham having to fill the void of defensive stopper. Remember Keith Bogans and the laughable "centerpiece" statements from Pop. We had higher standards then, I guess. Now we have posters celebrating the mediocrity of no hopers like Cunningham and Pondexter.

[TheGreatYacht]

Can't be a treadmill team with Patty on the roster, tbh..

[Kurgan]

same record as the Mavs
unintentionally tanking
stuck with this ty roster for another few years

[JakeCuenca]

The problem lies within their culture and archaic way of thinking. The truth is they can find ways next year to potentially improve to a 48-51 win team but that's exactly it. The Grizz have been a perenial 50 win team candidate for a few years now but they have never amounted to anything because of their poor structure.

I'm sure Uncle Dennis posioned Kawhi, but even during Kawhis MVP runs they treated him like he was a role player, benched him in nights he wanted to play, refused to allow him to stat pad.

So its going to be difficult to get superstars to sign for this team knowing the fact....

They're also not getting back to actual relevance because teams today just play at a much faster pace with a plethora of 3 pointers. Its such an overwhelming way of playing offense.

The worst part is, how is that ots 2018 and the spurs have zerp 3&D player? That almost seems like a flaw in their philosophy. That's just unacceptable in todays era.

[duncan2k5]

The problem lies within their culture and archaic way of thinking. The truth is they can find ways next year to potentially improve to a 48-51 win team but that's exactly it. The Grizz have been a perenial 50 win team candidate for a few years now but they have never amounted to anything because of their poor structure.

I'm sure Uncle Dennis posioned Kawhi, but even during Kawhis MVP runs they treated him like he was a role player, benched him in nights he wanted to play, refused to allow him to stat pad.

So its going to be difficult to get superstars to sign for this team knowing the fact....

They're also not getting back to actual relevance because teams today just play at a much faster pace with a plethora of 3 pointers. Its such an overwhelming way of playing offense.

The worst part is, how is that ots 2018 and the spurs have zerp 3&D player? That almost seems like a flaw in their philosophy. That's just unacceptable in todays era.

correct

[weeks]

As I've been saying from the start, we should've kept Leonard, won 60 games, made the WCF, and then offered him the supermax in the summer. There's no way he would've walked away from that.

yes, in a fantasy universe where kawhi actually ever played another game for the spurs

in the real world, there was nothing to be done. there was indeed a 'gun to their heads'