Bowen second dirtiest player in the NBA according to his peers.

[Kori Ellis]

I believe they're deserving allstars, but not superstars

I always hate that debate because though there's a definition for All-Stars (those who make the All-Star team) there's no definition of superstars.

For me (for example) I think there's only a handful of superstars in the league -- so I would never say that Tony/Manu are superstars. But to some people superstars is relatively equivalent to All-Stars. So it's a weird debate to me when I see it on message boards.

[WalterBenitez]

Someone answers me that a SuperStar is a player who you can build a team around ... The rest are Stars or role players

[FromWayDowntown]

I always hate that debate because though there's a definition for All-Stars (those who make the All-Star team) there's no definition of superstars.

For me (for example) I think there's only a handful of superstars in the league -- so I would never say that Tony/Manu are superstars. But to some people superstars is relatively equivalent to All-Stars. So it's a weird debate to me when I see it on message boards.

I would agree that superstar is thrown around too lightly in the media. But I guess the point of my quarrel here is this: I hear from Mavericks fans that Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are "overrated." I don't hear media often referring to either as a "superstar," but often as "stars." Each has earned an All-Star selection. What on Earth about calling them stars, but not superstars, is overrating them?

[island_dude]

Ah, "wait and see". The life of the ringless.
Well, like Avery says, 'Were still a work in progress."



Judging by his behavior it seems like a distinct possibility.

Just seemed a tad bit gay to be saying that about a man. 'Not that there's anything wrong with that."

[MajicMan]

[tlongII]

Bruce Bowen sucks ass.

[zero signal]

I found the Miami pic.

"FINISH HIM"




Flawless Victory.

[Peter]

Just seemed a tad bit gay to be saying that about a man. 'Not that there's anything wrong with that."

It must be tough having to defend that of an owner. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[nkdlunch]

Bruce Bowen sucks ass.

but before sucking it he kicks the out of it

[nkdlunch]

I found the Miami pic.

"FINISH HIM"




Flawless Victory.

[Chris]

omg zero signal thats hilarious!

[stretchman21]

WHo cares ? - The MAvs don't even have 1 true superstar. I mean I guess you can call Dirk a superstar the same way that KG is a superstar -- but other than that who do you have ? Remember this my man - the Spurs are what the Mavs want to be. They copy the Spurs in every way.

well, the pistons didnt have any superstars, and beat a lineup with 4 hall of famers. so your thoughts are kinda useless.

[island_dude]

It must be tough having to defend that of an owner. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

You seem a bit defensive there. Are you phobic or something? I could personally care less whether Cuban's a flamer or not.

[stretchman21]

Man, he's a glutton for punishment.



Sure, when it's aimed right at someone's dome. Bell's got a rep for being a dirty player.




OK, he's drifting back to sanity.




Aren't you a Mavs fan? I can debate plenty. The Spurs have dropped your Mavs out of the postseason every time they faced them. There is no parallel. The Spurs have 3 rings from their postseason appearances. All you have is to nutride on another team because your favorite team is so pathetic.

ok, and what the does that have to do with bowen even being a dirty player??? that goes exactly with what i was saying... you cant debate. instead, you dwell on the past, which obviously shows the spurs winning and the mavs not. but that has NOTHING to do with Bowen. quit changing the subject you bag.

also, the fact is, he NEVER HIT Parker. there is a BIG line between missing and hitting. second of all, it wasnt even an elbow. he swung the BALL you MORON. there again, is a BIG difference between a ball and an elbow.

next...

[FromWayDowntown]

also, the fact is, he NEVER HIT Parker. there is a BIG line between missing and hitting. second of all, it wasnt even an elbow. he swung the BALL you MORON. there again, is a BIG difference between a ball and an elbow.

next...

If he swings with the intent to make contact, the fact that he didn't make contact only changes the extent of the injury -- it doesn't change the fact of his intent. There's a big difference between hitting and missing, but only to the person who is the target.

[Sportman]

Well i have the same picture because the guy who is receiving this kick plays for the argentinian national team, he is ruben wolkowisky .......if manu could look at this picture he couldnt maybe help laughing

[stretchman21]

If he swings with the intent to make contact, the fact that he didn't make contact only changes the extent of the injury -- it doesn't change the fact of his intent. There's a big difference between hitting and missing, but only to the person who is the target.

ok, well how do we know it was intended for him to hit parker? with all the "reasoning" on bowen's "intent" for hitting finley, kicking wally in the face, etc... i would think its only fair to "assume" the best of bell. if you all are going to say that bell is known as a dirty player, then Bowen is at known for being at least TWICE as dirty.

[Peter]

ok, and what the does that have to do with bowen even being a dirty player??? that goes exactly with what i was saying...

The point is that Mav Fan should stop lecturing Spurs fans about Bowen's dirty play considering the Mavs' history.

you cant debate. instead, you dwell on the past, which obviously shows the spurs winning and the mavs not. but that has NOTHING to do with Bowen. quit changing the subject you bag.

Funny, you rely on the past for your drivel.

also, the fact is, he NEVER HIT Parker. there is a BIG line between missing and hitting. second of all, it wasnt even an elbow. he swung the BALL you MORON. there again, is a BIG difference between a ball and an elbow.

next...

Yeah, he swung the ball and his elbows led. Again, it doesn't matter if contact was made to make that a dirty play.

Mav Fan is that stupid, apparently.

[Peter]

ok, well how do we know it was intended for him to hit parker? with all the "reasoning" on bowen's "intent" for hitting finley, kicking wally in the face, etc... i would think its only fair to "assume" the best of bell. if you all are going to say that bell is known as a dirty player, then Bowen is at known for being at least TWICE as dirty.

You can make a dirty play while not making contact and you can make accidental contact while playing cleanly. Swinging elbows at head level with a player in front of you is a dirty play.

[Solid D]

Dirty player Bruce Bowen, just before he was caught tripping two children en route to winning a footrace.

[FromWayDowntown]

Dirty player Bruce Bowen, just before he was caught tripping two children en route to winning a footrace.

[implacable44]

well, the pistons didnt have any superstars, and beat a lineup with 4 hall of famers. so your thoughts are kinda useless.

what thought was that ? i dont recall saying you needed any superstars -- i am saying the mavs dont really have one -- i never said anything about playing with all superstars -- you are stupid as those clowns on the ticket -- are you a p1?

the pistons have 4 all stars - should be 5.

[stretchman21]

The point is that Mav Fan should stop lecturing Spurs fans about Bowen's dirty play considering the Mavs' history.




Funny, you rely on the past for your drivel.




Yeah, he swung the ball and his elbows led. Again, it doesn't matter if contact was made to make that a dirty play.

Mav Fan is that stupid, apparently.

you obviously have NO idea what you are talking about. your points make NO sense. if you are gunna debate, make it good, and worth my time. not just saying brainless garbage that makes no sense. if you are just gunna use the arguement "the spurs have 3 rings" as your answer for everything, then dont bother attempting to debate with me.

if you are going to say that swinging the ball is a dirty play, but kicking someone in the face is clean, then you are a total ing moron.

[stretchman21]

You can make a dirty play while not making contact and you can make accidental contact while playing cleanly. Swinging elbows at head level with a player in front of you is a dirty play.

right. bowen could have moved his foot away. bowen didnt have to throw an elbow, whether it was retaliation or not. if you are making movement that could cause serious physical damage to another person, and it is EASILY avoidable, yet you do it anyway, that is a dirty play.

next...

[stretchman21]

what thought was that ? i dont recall saying you needed any superstars -- i am saying the mavs dont really have one -- i never said anything about playing with all superstars -- you are stupid as those clowns on the ticket -- are you a p1?

the pistons have 4 all stars - should be 5.

ok... then WHAT THE WAS YOUR POINT??? you said the mavs have no superstars, and the spurs do. the mavs are trying to be what the spurs are... in other words, you are saying that the mavs need a "superstar" to win... are you not? if not, then why would the mavs want to be like the spurs? think before you make dumb comments like that.

that piston comment was again, dumb and misinformed. they had no all-stars that year other than Ben Wallace, only due to the lack of centers in the league these days. but we all know he cant do much on offense other than dunk, and offense is what gets you to the all-star game. the only other piston player that was even SLIGHTLY considered was Rip Hamilton.


hahaha. if you actually take The Ticket that seriously, then you are a really uptight, ignorant asshole. and im willing to go out on a limb and say that they know more about sports and basketball than you will ever imagine knowing. they arent homers either, so im not sure what your point was there again... oh, and Gordo rules.