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    Manu had 12 attempts and Parker had 7




    Everyone else on your team is a perimeter player, besides Duncan, so its obvious why they weren't at the line all night. I really think some people are blowing this FT thing up a bit.

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    I agree with your take on Manu. , the guy is a wild man that isn't afraid of anyone on the court. He takes a beating and gets up looking for another. I respect that aspect of his game and only hate him because he's not on my team. But the super drama flopping just kills me.
    As did Vlade's kill me. You'd have thought landmines were going off around Vlade when anyone made contact with him.

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    Manu had 12 attempts and Parker had 7




    Everyone else on your team is a perimeter player, besides Duncan, so its obvious why they weren't at the line all night. I really think some people are blowing this FT thing up a bit.
    Well, Parker had 4 attempts in OT and Manu had at least 4 in OT.

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    That's about right; the Spurs shot 12 of their 36 free throws in OT. I don't think SAC shot any, which would have made the number 38-24 at the end of regulation.
    Should I start a thread too and complain about this?


    Not directed at you Downtown. I just found this ironic.

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    As did Vlade's kill me. You'd have thought landmines were going off around Vlade when anyone made contact with him.
    I always thought of Vlade's flops more consistent with that of a falling tree. He just kind of slowly fell back and landed with a hard thud. Manu has the amazing head jerk reaction no matter where he is hit. I think his hair adds to the effect.

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    I think his hair adds to the effect.
    not so much this year though. Not as long and all on his face.

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    must be the beard....

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    Should I start a thread too and complain about this?


    Not directed at you Downtown. I just found this ironic.
    Oh, I know. But, by the logic you applied earlier, the absence of FTA's makes sense. Here are the Kings' OT possessions (according to the play-by-play and using ESPN's shot chart):

    4:36 - Bibby 20 foot jump shot (made)
    3:58 - Bibby 22 foot jump shot (made)
    3:24 - Bibby turnover
    2:53 - Bibby 20 foot jump shot (missed)
    2:27 - Hart offensive foul
    1:57 - Abdur-Rahim 18 foot jump shot (missed)
    1:37 - Abdur-Rahim 4 foot jump shot (made)
    1:31 - Abdur-Rahim 5 foot turnaround (made)
    1:10 - Bibby turnover
    0:32 - Abdur-Rahim 23 foot jump shot (missed)
    0:23 - Hart layup (made)
    0:13 - Hart layup (missed)

    By contrast, the Spurs took 7 FGA in overtime and made 4. The 4 makes were 2 foot (Nesterovic), 1 foot (Parker), 1 foot (Ginobili), 0 feet (Ginobili). The Spurs 3 misses were 9 feet (Parker), 12 feet (Duncan), and 17 feet (Ginobili).

    Attacking would certainly seem to make a difference, at least in that context (though I realize that Manu got 3 FTA on the foul behind the arc).

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    Oh, I know. But, by the logic you applied earlier, the absence of FTA's makes sense. Here are the Kings' OT possessions (according to the play-by-play and using ESPN's shot chart):
    Very true. The Kings did the opposite of what they had been doing all night, attacking the rim. Reason being why I'm not complaining about a lack of FT attempts. Just pointing out how some Spurs fans here expected FT's when the Spurs were not attacking the basket.

    You didn't need to post all those stats though. It sadly reminded me of Bibby's bonehead foul on Manu and his turnovers in OT. Thanks.

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    Sacto was give a gift of many extra FTs in regulation. That they couldn't take advantage is going to haunt them. What Adelman was ing about took place at the end of regulation, at which time Sacto had a DECIDED advantage in FTA.

    Sacto choked. They couldn't close the deal. They ARE an eight seed, not some wonder team on the move. They are Denver, 2006.

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    Sacto choked. They couldn't close the deal. They ARE an eight seed, not some wonder team on the move. They are Denver, 2006.
    If choking is taking the defending champs to the brink on their own court only to be had by a lucky bounce on a last second three pointer, so be it.

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    This whole "lucky bounce" thing is getting to me. Not all shots hit nothing but net. So, is EVERY shot that bounces off the rim but manages to fall lucky? If that is the case, then i bet 50% of all shots made in the NBA are lucky.

    So, we dont have a lot of talent in the NBA, but a bunch of lucky shot artists, eh?

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    This whole "lucky bounce" thing is getting to me. Not all shots hit nothing but net. So, is EVERY shot that bounces off the rim but manages to fall lucky? If that is the case, then i bet 50% of all shots made in the NBA are lucky.

    So, we dont have a lot of talent in the NBA, but a bunch of lucky shot artists, eh?
    How many shots do you see from the corner hit the rim twice and then hit the top of the backboard only fall in?

    What is so wrong with calling it lucky?

    If it was a shot for my team I'd sure call it lucky, and I might even enjoy it more for the fact that the other team calls it lucky.

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    Of course.... DOnt you know better Spurs Dynasty?

    Spurs cant beat anyone without luck shots.

    Lots of lucky shots last saturday.

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    How many shots do you see from the corner hit the rim twice and then hit the top of the backboard only fall in?

    What is so wrong with calling it lucky?

    If it was a shot for my team I'd sure call it lucky, and I might even enjoy it more for the fact that the other team calls it lucky.
    If it were Rasho or Nazi hitting it i might call it lucky, but Horry or Barry, KNOWN 3 pt shooters I call it another good shot. Dont get me wrong, i was delerious and did the dance of joy when the shot fell but i bet we could watch the game footage and come up with another 20-30 lucky shots, dont you think?

    When a free throw bounces of the rim, backboard and manages to fall, the announcers call it the "shooters touch" or "shooters roll" not a lucky shot.

    It is only a lucky shot when it is an opposing team.

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    T Park-

    Why do you keep following me around and replying to each of my posts? This isn't the best way to make friends you know. Giving away tickets to the games is a better approach, one you know all to well.

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    T Park-

    Why do you keep following me around and replying to each of my posts? This isn't the best way to make friends you know. Giving away tickets to the games is a better approach, one you know all to well.
    Hey, the next game is in your neck o the woods, YOU should be giving out game tickets... and maybe plane fare too. You would be MOST welcome here then. My address is...

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    replying to each of my posts
    I was responding to Spurs Dynasty.

    Obviously you can't read

    This isn't the best way to make friends you know. Giving away tickets to the games is a better approach, one you know all to well.
    I had friends before I gave away tickets asswhipe.

    Why dont you slow your roll and stfu and learn how to show me some respect boy.

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    Of course.... DOnt you know better Spurs Dynasty?

    Spurs cant beat anyone without luck shots.

    Lots of lucky shots last saturday.

    Yup, Spurs are just a bunch of lucky SOBs.

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    When a free throw bounces of the rim, backboard and manages to fall, the announcers call it the "shooters touch" or "shooters roll" not a lucky shot.
    A free throw is shot straight on. The backboard is there to help. A shot from Barry's angle requires an awkward, or lucky bounce to bank off the backboard. Whatever, I'm done arguing over whether it was luck or not. We will agree to disagree.

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    Looked kind of illegal to me ! He's got a legitimate point

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    I had friends before I gave away tickets asswhipe.
    And I'm sure you have many more after you've "hooked them up". I told you, if you get me tickets, I'll be your friend too!!!!

    Why dont you slow your roll and stfu and learn how to show me some respect boy.
    Sorry, I can't respect a dude who brags about how much money he makes online and increases his friend count by handing out game tickets.

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    Manu DID royally flop in a playoff game in Seattle last year. Antonio Daniels was nearby and appeared to make contact with Manu, but the slow mo showed that AD made almost no contact; Manu fell down like he'd been shot by a sniper.
    This just cracks me up given that Antonio Daniels and Manu probably end up on the floor more than any other players in the NBA.

    If AD's playing, it's not a game until he's fallen on his face at least 3 times in a quarter, and at least one of those needs to be an uncontested slam! He always cracked me up with that statue of liberty to face plant slam...

    Oh yeah, pick looked very illegal to me (Tim sets, then leans in a bit when Bibby tries to come underneat, then steps out when Bibby changes his mind and tries to go outside). But the game had absolutely horrible officiating anyway, so who cares.

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    TPark, when did you start saying slow your roll?

    On the illegal screen, everybody in the NBA is aware that just about everything goes in the last second out of bounds play. The refs usually refuse to call something like moving screen or holding. I remember in a previous Nets/Pacers playoff matchup Reggie Miller got wide open coming off a Jermaine O'Neal screen and blew the shot. They interviewed Jason Kidd afterwards and his man was Miller. He said, Obviously Jermaine set a good pick...

    All Jermaine did was hold him for a second and a half.

    That's the best example. That's pretty much how it goes.

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    maybe if the refs werent distracted by the 3 point shot they would of called the screen a foul. but thank god, it looks like they werent paying attention

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