Nocioni had an outside shot, so I thought it might be a bit easier for him. Chicago also paid alot less to find out.
Look, I'm not really anti-Scola. I was all for bringing him over last summer for most of the MLE. The team's situation is drastically different this summer and I need to be convinced that using that money on Scola is better than spending it on our other, more glaring needs -- especially if all we can expect from Scola next year are Fizer-like numbers.
Nocioni has improved his outside shot considerably since he got to the NBA going from .401 to .461 and on 3s from .258 to .391.
I'm not super pro-Scola and hope he's attainable for less than full MLE. I've just got a feeling he's going to be another of those game changer type Argentines. My bigger concern is not rebounding but defense.
One thing I'm putting forward:
Scola will be less undersized at PF than Oberto was at C
and
not really with regards to Oberto, he was congratulating Oberto in the media right after the news broke. Scola was more disappointed in not making the NBA, Oberto wasn't an issue.Scola was the one that was pouting when Oberto, not him made it to the spurs.
no not the #16 pick, lets talk bout that #2 pick. lol they are dumb but not that dumb
I think he is as athletic as those 2 or at least compariable, same with rebounding and defense. Could scola avg. a double double? in the "new NBA" with the way the rules have changed yes i think so but not right away. 8 and 4 is a reasonable guess on what he can contribute but he will change the game the same way Manu does, in ways that don't show up on the box score.
Here's a couple quotes from last year:
People ing about Scola commanding 4M+ per year, but didn't the Spurs set the table with Oberto and his 2.5M per?
The most intriguing thing about Scola is not his offensive ability, but rather his at ude. This kid is tough, he'll kick ass when necessary. Remember when he stepped over JermO? No JT, Stack, or JHoward will drive to the basket without paying the price.
Scola will bring some needed toughness to this roster. He's 6'8'', he has Malik Rose energy, he'll be fine. Please don't compare him to Oberto, Scola is a different animal.
Not that much less actually Nocioni got around 3 years/ 8 million, how much more do you think Scola is going to want? 3 years 10 mil? To me that seems likely if scola's buyout is the 3 million figure it's rumored to be, and it would leave around 2 million give or take of the MLE to sign another player.
Did Nocioni have a buyout? If so how much was it?
last year there was a rumor he wanted the full mle
that would be like 5.5 million a year
WAY TO MUCH FOR A DAMM ROOKIE
package the draft rights to scola + rasho for something
You forgot the argument Hedo > Manu in 2004 where he got owned by whottt.
Chump owns everyone who tries to argue against him.
scola > oberto
i don't know how good scola will be in the nba but i would like to find out. but if we can package him for some more pressing needs i will be happy with that too. we just don't have too many chips to make a good deal and he is probably the best chance at a decent deal.
The best thing Scola has going for him is he's from Argentina. With the way Manu and Nocioni have exploded on the scene, I wouldn't be too mad if the Spurs try to see if Argentine phenoms run in threes.
But if Scola were from like Brazil, Mexico or even Serbia, I'd be pissed that the Spurs were even looking at bringing over a no rebounding, no shot blocking, no shooting power forward.
Personally, I don't feel the Spurs even need Scola.
He's an undersized PF, who does not have the arm length to even make up for his size at PF and give him a decent shot at rebounds...ala...Reggie Evans.
His defense is nothing great...not a great shot blocker.
He's been scolded by RC for not passing the ball and rebounding.
He's not ultra athletic to where he can guard SF's like Josh Howard....nor is he quick enough to guard athletes such as Dirk, nor is he strong enough or have the height to handle Amare....in a playoff series.
Now, if the Spurs needed offense....especially low post offense then Luis Scola is your man. He's a talent offensively and has good low post moves. However, the Spurs already have enough scoring talent.....and Scola does not bring us what we trully need....rebounding nor an athletic player around 6-9 or 6-10 who can keep up with bigger SG's, long SF's, and hybrid PF's.
Sorry, time to ship his rights away. No way he deserves the full MLE or even the majority...at max $2.5 million.
The Spurs will shop Scola's rights, but not for the 16th pick in the draft, unless theres a Euro that the Spurs feel will slip to that pick that they can keep overseas.
Fizer has always had the talent to play in the NBA, but his head just has'nt been in it - yet.
Actually his body hasn't been in it. He has had injury problems. Torn ACL, re-occuring other knee problems, rumored back problems, etc.
That's true, but he was the 05-06 NBADL player of the year. Certainly worthy of a look by the Spurs.
Jermiane stepped over Scola after he got blocked from behind. No reason to get that one wrong.Remember when he stepped over JermO?Yes, seeing as we thought Scola's buyout was workable last summer, only to find out it was $16 million or so..[quote]You might want to check out Hedo's splits vs. Dallas before you gloat too much. I wanted to keep both but knew that was impossible.how much more do you think Scola is going to want? 3 years 10 mil? how much more do you think Scola is going to want? 3 years 10 mil?Were I not hopped up on muscle relaxants, this is the kind of post I would make. Argie mystique is trumping common sense. There is a small chance there's truth there, but was it there with Oberto too?The best thing Scola has going for him is he's from Argentina. With the way Manu and Nocioni have exploded on the scene, I wouldn't be too mad if the Spurs try to see if Argentine phenoms run in threes.
But if Scola were from like Brazil, Mexico or even Serbia, I'd be pissed that the Spurs were even looking at bringing over a no rebounding, no shot blocking, no shooting power forward.
The draft is weak at the top, but it's not that bad in the mid-late first round.
And the Bulls aren't going to give up Deng or Nocioni for Scola. Scola's contract is still up in the air, he's about the age of a guy who has been in the league for 5-8 years (depending on college/HS), and he's unproven on this level (Oberto anyone?).
Interesting (almost off topic) article on possible Chicago moves..
Marion, Odom may be Bulls’ best chance for summer trade
By Mike McGraw
Daily Herald Sports Writer
Posted Monday, May 29, 2006
Before anyone gets carried away and starts calling the Bulls-Heat series the real Eastern Conference finalsæ…
There is no question Bulls general manager John Paxson and coach Scott Skiles would love to add an experienced player who could kick the team beyond the first round of the playoffs.
Of course, a suitable trade may not come along. Of the names most often mentioned, Kevin Garnett and Chris Bosh won’t be available. Jermaine O’Neal isn’t worth the money.
When the Bulls look around to see if they can turn the No. 2 draft pick into a valuable veteran, two names to keep in mind are Shawn Marion and Lamar Odom.
There is talk around the NBA that the Phoenix Suns may be willing to move Marion this summer. At first glance, the idea seems absurd, since the 28-year-old forward is coming off consecutive third-team all-NBA honors.
But here’s the theory: The Suns’ payroll is already close to $60 million for next season, just below luxury-tax threshold. The team also has a new owner, Robert Sarver, who paid a high price to gain control from the Colangelo family.
The Suns expect to have Amare Stoudemire back from a knee injury next year, and they found a capable small forward in Boris Diaw, who won the most-improved-player award and hit the winning shot against Dallas in Game 1 of the Western Conference finals.
Marion is owed about $48.5 million over the next three years, so the Suns might be willing to make a trade if they can get a big man in return and lose a few million in salary. Trimming the payroll would help Phoenix re-sign Diaw and guard Leandro Barbosa, who are eligible for extensions.
The Bulls could send their two first-round draft picks to Phoenix for Marion, which would give the Suns a shot at LaMarcus Aldridge or Tyrus Thomas with the No. 2 selection and also lower their payroll by about $10 million.
Would the Suns be interested in such a deal? Hard to say, but former Phoenix general manager Bryan Colangelo is sitting in Toronto with the No. 1 pick and might jump on the same trade if it’s available.
Skiles coached Marion, who grew up in North Chicago, early in his career. But Marion may not necessarily be a slam-dunk acquisition for the Bulls.
Marion’s statistics (21.8 points, 11.8 rebounds this season) have been reasonably consistent, but his field-goal percentage skyrocketed when point guard Steve Nash showed up in Phoenix.
The key questions for the Bulls would be whether Marion can be as valuable without Nash or if he’s worth a $17.1 million salary in the 2008-09 season. Marion’s strongest suit is his athleticism and drive. He’s great on the fastbreak and tough to keep off the offensive boards, but he isn’t really a go-to offensive player.
The Bulls haven’t had any serious discussions with the Los Angeles Lakers about Odom. But the Bulls would love to plug him in at power forward, and it seems apparent that the 6-foot-10 Odom isn’t meshing well with Kobe Bryant.
Odom averaged 17.1 points and 9.7 rebounds in 2003-04, his lone season with Miami. He scored 14.8 points for the Lakers this year, shooting a career-high 48.1 percent.
The trouble here is finding a deal that would suit both sides. It’s hard to imagine Lakers coach Phil Jackson endorsing Odom for the No. 2 pick, since he’s looking to make quick progress. The Lakers could gain around $10 million in cap room for 2007 from that deal.
Perhaps the Lakers feel Tyson Chandler could improve their interior defense. Chandler, Chris Duhon and the No. 16 pick for Odom is an idea, though Chandler has more money left on his contract than Odom’s $40.6 million over three years.
Another obvious issue for the Bulls when exploring any trade this summer is why give up the No. 2 pick for a forward when there is a good chance they could sign Atlanta free agent Al Harrington (18.6 points, 6.9 rebounds) outright without giving up any assets.
There will be few easy decisions for Paxson this summer.
Exactly. Anyone thinking we could trade Scola for more than a pick is delusional. The only posters with any balls said Scola won't really contribute for a year or two -- how is that different from a guy like Shawne Williams?
Last edited by ChumpDumper; 05-30-2006 at 04:15 AM.
lets hope scola doesnt take our MLE and stink on the bench like aka jerome james.
Will Spurs fans get a second serving of Latin flavor on its roster next season?
They will according to those close to Luis Scola, including his agent Claudio Villanueva, who says the power forward is ready to play in San Antonio.
Scola, 24, who led Argentina to its first Olympic gold medal in Greece last summer, expects to leave Spanish ACB powerhouse Tau Ceramica for the NBA next season.
"I confirm that that will be the case," one source close to Scola told Argentina sports newspaper Olé, while Villanueva told Olé, "We cannot say that the deal is done because we all know how this world works, but there are all the indications to think that Luis will play next year in the NBA."
Scola was selected by the Spurs with the 56th pick in the 2002 NBA draft. He is under contract with Tau until 2006, with a $2 million buyout clause.
Spurs officials won't comment on the situation because there are still too many hurdles to clear, but general manager R.C. Buford traveled to Europe as recently as late December to watch Scola play.
Villanueva indicated that Scola nearly played for the Spurs this season.
"After the Olympic Games they (Spurs executives) made an approach but they had problems regarding the salary cap."
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