True, the bench is too old. That's really the only area of concern for me. Hopefully Williams, Oberto and/or Barry can be traded for some youth. The big key is for NY not to match butler's deal, If we can add Butler, Elson and Bonner while losing Rasho and Nazr to me that's a win. Butler and Bonner are both young guys who can contribute right away and give us energy off the bench. Trade for a wing who's young and athletic and we're set.
True .... you did have Rasho thoughGee, we didn't even have him when we won the championship the season before....... sorry bad joke.
An example would be "Kerr for THREE"
I remember that ... I am sure you do too ... they dont have the dedicated shooter for one.
Since when were the Spurs lacking shooters? If anything that's where we have a surplus...
Kerr?True .... you did have Rasho though
An example would be "Kerr for THREE"
I remember that ... I am sure you do too ... they dont have the dedicated shooter for one.
Was he making three pointers from the press table?
Do your homework before bringing this weak smack.
More like...
+Parker / Udrih / Vaughn
+Manu / Finley / Barry
+Bowen / Williams
+Duncan / Bonner / Horry
+Elson / Butler / Oberto
I like it.
Looks well rounded, stil very deep. Let's get to work.
I wouldn't go that far.
Finley's the best we have, Bowens good if he's on his spot and doesn't have to create the shot himself. Other then that, Parker's average...Manu's streaky. We don't have that sweet stroke outside guy like Kerr...or SJax...or what Barry should be.
Maybe Bonner helps with that, iuno.
If Beno learns to handle the press, you can count him too.
Vaughn should work wonders for Beno's self-confidence.
Bruce Bowen was interviewed at a Get Fit with Bruce event and said that he would not have expected when the summer started that the Spurs would lose both centers.
It seemed pretty apparent to everyone that Nazr was not interested in coming back to the Spurs- especially given what happend throughout the play-offs for him- it was worse for him than Rasho. Did they think Nazr would suddenly want to stay if he did not have to feel like he was competing for minutes with Rasho? Surely Rasho's trade was not a shock to anyone- and I don't believe the Spurs even made an offer to Nazr. He decided on Detroit while the Spurs were still thinking about Przybilla.
you guys are so funny, last year we were a last second mistake away from going to the finals and whipping up on Miami. We lost Van Exel, Nazr, and Rasho-3 guys who never helped us in the playoffs anyway. We cleared up some cap for next summer and kept our nucleus while adding Bonner, Butler, Elson, and Vaughn. We didn't need a whole lot more, Phoenix lost Tim Thomas, Detroit lost Ben Wallace, Shaq is a year older, Dallas did not improve, so why is everyone so down in the dumps?
I'm glad Nazr didn't come back. I just wish we had more of a plan when we got rid of Rasho.
Many people assumed the Spurs had a more surefire plan when they got rid of Rasho. Apparently, not. I think that is what is disappointing to some fans. They find it hard to fathom that the Spurs are at a point of possibly starting Elson at center on opening night. No matter how people want to spin it or talk the stats, he is a worse basketball player than both Nazr and Rasho. The idea of taking a step down in quality does not seem to be a good move, especially if it was done for merely the financial reasons that even Johnny Ludden admitted to. To say you know there is a good chance these guys won't be as good but that they are cheaper does not instill confidence that the priority is a championship.
Because anyone who has been a Spurs fan for more than 7 years should understand the difference between a bona fide le contender and second-round playoff fodder.
Maybe we don't have a pure shooter (SJax wouldn't qualify btw, he's a 34% career 3 point shooter) but we've got enough capable ones that I really don't think it's a big position of need for us. If the Spurs got another swingman I'd much rather get a young, athletic defender than a pure shooter.
Eh, it doesn't matter that a player is better if he's not going to play.
Sorry if some of us just are not overjoyed at this group of big men--
Duncan / Bonner / Horry
Elson / Butler / Oberto
As for that list, after Duncan- I am most interested in Butler, but until he's actually a Spur, I'm not getting excited.
I think, also, people are disappointed because the Spurs got rid of their two centers and were then forced to focus the available resources on more big men, when the fans were hoping more for an athletic 3 and a better back-up PG. It would have been more expensive, obviously, but if you keep Rasho or re-sign Nazr, you then have the MLE to spend on those other needs.
I'm not overjoyed either, but personal feelings aside there's probably not going to be a huge decline in production from the center position.
Better backup PG? Beno just needs to stop dropping his purse.
Athletic long three? There are maybe two on the market, and one has an insane asking price.
Real improvements have to be made through trades. That was going to be the case no matter what.
What was the consensus on Barry's performance last season (regular season & playoffs)? All I know is he scares the out of me when he has an open 3 pointer. I think the Mavs did a decent job during their playoff series with Spurs of closing out on his 3 point shot for the most part. I know he couldn't guard Stack and was often matched up with him.
Looks good to me. My only concern would be the quality of the depth. I don't think the Spurs could handle injuries to the top 3-4 players for a long period of time. You'd be f..ked if Parker got hurt for any length of time.
Yeah- but the Rasho trade was for $$- not improvement- no matter how much people try to sell me on Bonner- and I just don't see how much improvement will be made over dangling Barry and Williams.
As a side note- every time that I type Barry and Williams- which I feel I have typed a thousand times- I can't help it:
Blue = scrub
Red = dangerously old
Poop = total piece of
Colorful roster there.
Sure enough. There is a fair chance we can get the same performance for less though. That's the bottom line.Yeah- but the Rasho trade was for $$- not improvement- no matter how much people try to sell me on BonnerI don't think we will be limiting our offers to those two.I just don't see how much improvement will be made over dangling Barry and Williams.The picture I posted of him was better.As a side note- every time that I type Barry and Williams- which I feel I have typed a thousand times- I can't help it:
If the Knicks match Butler, the Spurs will have no frontcourt players other than Tim Duncan who aren't either at least 35 years of age, a journeyman scrub, or an outright piece of crap.
He will have absolutely zero help inside.
BTW, if the Spurs can get something of value back for Bowen, they should trade him.
If Spurs get Butler they'll be better at center than last year. If they sign Woods they'll be better at the swing positon than last year. If they sign a deadman to replace NVE they'll be better than last year. All possible Isiah willing. Butler and Woods will take the Spurs past the Mavs without breaking a sweat.
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