um... no. we all saw the mental breakdown of that foul on Dirk. and at the end of the game i was trying to throw it away on purpose by giving Ginobli a layup at the end. he didnt even hit the f*ckin rim.
Ginobli is typical Barfentina, east coast, pissbag, greazy trash. who should not be mentioned in the same saliva as this thread.
o yeah dont even think about calling Duncan clutch either. he traveled in two games against the Mavs that led to two different losses. he missed a potential GW hook shot. missed a wide open dunk at game 7 that would've won the series. i dont care if Nowitzki fouled him, he's strong enough to teabag the German.
face it, the Spurs players all choke more than me at an all you can eat buffet. actually i take that back, i forgot about robert y
Okay. Since one play makes all the difference, Manu is a choker. Robinson, despite never elevating his team one single time in the playoffs in his career, did win two les once he had clutch players around him for him to pass to and to make up for the fact that he couldn't hit a free throw at the end of a game. We won't mention that Robinson lost to the Choker Karl Malone's team in '98 because that's probably Tim Duncan's fault anyway.
Tim is number 1 for me.
See that makes all the difference... I still may not agree with your stance; but at least I know why you feel inclined to believe what you do.
The difference is that Malone had clutch shooters around him his entire career. Robinson never had that luxury during the prime of his career... or for that matter never had a legit 'second star' around him until he became that star for someone else; Duncan.
You can't win les without clutch shooters... Just ask Jordan (Kerr, Paxon, Kukoc), Hakeem (K. Smith, Cassell, Horry, Ellie), Shaq (Kobe, Fisher, Horry, Wade) and closer to home Duncan himself (D. Jackson, Ellie, Kerr, Horry).
And as far as free-throws are concerned, Malone had a much more frequent tendency to miss them in the clutch.
You obviously didn't see the 2005 Playoffs. If you can counter everything Ginobili meant to the Spurs' third le... go ahead and try. You won't get very far.
Ginobli is typical Barfentina, east coast, pissbag, greazy trash. who should not be mentioned in the same saliva as this thread.
And as far as Duncan is concerned.... even if you exclude the extra year he was in the league before Dirk's arrival... Duncan has had more clutch GW shots in that span than Dirk himself.
Last edited by hegamboa; 07-27-2006 at 08:33 AM.
Dirk really hasn't been clutch at all during his career until this past season. He always seemed to miss the shots at the buzzer to win the game. That changed this past season as he won several games during the regular season and one playoff game (vs. Memphis) with game winning shots. I'm not even counting the big play vs. the Spurs in game 7 cuz even though he did make the shot it wouldn't have mattered if Ginobli hadn't fouled him (he did make that free throw though but he missed big free throw in Heat series).
what do you mean i didnt watch the 2005 playoffs? i was in them.
Duncan might have more GW shots because he took more of them, he was always the go to guy his whole life. plus they were all probly in the regular season anyway. playoffs are all that matters
You still haven't demonstrated why Duncan is unclutch???
All I was saying was that Ginobili is as clutch as they come despite the fact that he's not known as a 'shooter'....
im the 2nd best center in the NBA. i do what i want
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Isaiah Thomas... Charles Barkley...And John Stockton are all better than Kobe Bryant.....Riiiiiight.....
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No...the guy who needs his ing head examined is the basketball fan who thinks NBA teams are comprised of 2 players and nothing else.
And it's a point that seems to indicate you haven't got a clue what the word choke means...
What Malone did was a choke....David Robinson never threw an NBA championship away in a pressure filled moment...and neither did John Stockton.
Karl Malone did.
Losing is not choking...never winning is not choking...beating yourself due to errors from the pressure of winning, against an opponent you should beat or is already effectively beaten, either situationally or over a longer period, is choking.
And like I said...Duncan is 0-2 against Malone...so your stupid logic means that Duncan is also a choker. He never beat Malone either.
Since you basically described Robinson's career before Duncan arrived with the above, I'll just quote you back to yourself.
Okay, break it down and compare the teams.
Umm, I don't know about Thomas (never saw him play, nor do I care to), but Yes on Barkley, and probably NO on Stockton.Isaiah Thomas... Charles Barkley...And John Stockton are all better than Kobe Bryant.....Riiiiiight.....
I saw Isiah score 25 points against the Lakers in the third quarter in the NBA finals on an ankle I probably couldn't have walked on. That was one of the greatest individual performances I've ever seen. Isiah may be a ty GM, but he was a bad mother er and deserves to be way up on that list.
Last edited by Obstructed_View; 07-29-2006 at 06:44 PM.
Yeah, I saw that game. What a great performance. He had game.
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