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    That's awful mel, I hope you got some sleep last night. I would agree about the gun, if you don't feel comfortable then don't get one. Making friends with the dogs is a great idea though, they will protect you.
    I know the laws are different in every state and I'm not in Texas but the same thing happened to a friend of mine while her boyfriend was there. To make a long story short, her bf beat the crap out of the burglar with a bat I think it was, and ed him up pretty bad. The bf ended up getting 10 years for assault and was ordered to pay all the criminal's medical expenses. They're appealing it but it doesn't look good. Apparantly protecting yourself and your home is a crime which is totally ed.

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    It sounds like you're not ready for a gun, and that's O.K. Don't do anything that will make you more uncomfortable.

    For what it's worth, I used to keep a double-blade hatchet (small, about 1.5 foot handle) right next to my bed when I lived in Chicago, Boston, and Portland Maine. My apartment in Portland was a little ghetto-ish and someone tried to break into another apartment in the building I lived in. I always thought that it would at least give me the advantage in any hand-to-hand combat, and it I was stealthy enough, I could discover him before he discovered me. Maybe I've been watching too much television.

    I do have hunting rifles, but I don't keep them where I can easily get to them. By the time I fidgeted with a gun, I figure I could find my hatchet and start swinging it around or bail out the window. I don't use the hatchet now because I live in Northern Maine, but if I go back to the city, I'll probably keep it next to my bed again.

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    It is estimated that there are guns in half of all of the homes in the United States. Although most of these guns are purchased for safety reasons, a firearm at home is much more likely to kill or injure a family member or friend than an intruder.

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    I slept off and on last night, I am still a little sleepy but doing good. I made myelf some pancakes like I do every Sunday just so I could try to get back to my routine, sorta.

    Shoogs- you are wrong. The AF base my brother was on, houses got broken into all the time. Punk kids mostly and a lot of officer's kids rebelling. Of course, they prolly aren't all that dangerous, but still. They prolly aren't strung out on drugs either, my roommate and I are fairly convinced he was a crackhead, cus he broke two of the doors down just with one crack against it, and he took the time to rifle through my medcine cabinet and the kitchen pantry before he went to the bedrooms. And he left roomie no. 1's camera on the washing machine, but he was going to take roomie no. 2's iron?! It's not a great camera but surely worth more than an iron. ing moron!

    Anyhoo, I am feeling better though not great, my shoulders and neck are beyond stiff and I still feel like crying. But I am not as jumpy as yesterday. Yesterday, I poured some soda in a glass with ice and you know how the ice settle and clinks against the glass? THAT sound made me jump. Ice cubes in a glass, people! How ing stupid is that? So not as jumpy as yesterday for sure. I poured some soda in a glass to be sure! HAHA! I know I was expecting the sound so that's why I didn't jump, but - it made me feel better so even if it's dumb I guess that is good to feel better, right?

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    Melissa! I'm glad to hear you are doing okay today. And no it's not dumb to feel better that way. That's just you able to convince yourself that that particular sound doesn't bother you. Hopefully it will extend to other things as well as time goes on. It may take a while to get over. And more importantly LET yourself be bothered by it because it was a horrifying experience. But if you find yourself continually dwelling there you might seek some help. Whatever you're comfortable with. Stay close to family and friends.

    Oh yeah, and make sure your next bf can keep his gun properly loaded whan you need it.............

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    I'm pretty sure it's legal in Texas to use lethal force against an intruder.....and you might consider house training for those rottweilers. Trust me, nobody is getting through both of them. Sucks to hear this because there have been 4 robberies in the past month near where I live, I can understand how you feel.

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    they can even sue you for negligence even for robbing your place trespassing, if you premises is not safe area lame laws, so much for citizens arrest.

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    Anymore, the criminals have more rights than the victims.
    Pathetic.

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    they can even sue you for negligence even for robbing your place trespassing, if you premises is not safe area lame laws, so much for citizens arrest.
    Not sure where you live, but here in Texas your personal property rights trump all. About the only thing that can get you in trouble in Texas as far as an intruder and a lawsuit goes is if they turn to run and you shoot them in the back.

    Mel - if you're not comfortable with a gun, get a stun gun, mace, something....

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    Anymore, the criminals have more rights than the victims.
    Pathetic.
    that's the liberals for you

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    Holy , that's some crazy . I would have freaked out if I were in that situation, cus you never know what the the robbers have. But it would help to leave the rotweilers in the house when you guys aren't around, so if anyone breaks in, they probably won't be staying too long.

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    It is estimated that there are guns in half of all of the homes in the United States. Although most of these guns are purchased for safety reasons, a firearm at home is much more likely to kill or injure a family member or friend than an intruder.
    Citation please. I call bull .

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    Citation please. I call bull .
    I tend to agree with Ploto on this one.

    Statistics show that your are more likely to get killed by a loved one or someone you know than a stranger.

    So it makes sense. How often does an intruder get into your house?

    How often do family members get so pissed off to the level of killing at loved ones/someone they know?

    more Violence happens this way....unfortunately
    Last edited by ZStomp; 10-22-2006 at 06:34 PM.

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    I sorta knew this might turn into a gun debate and that's fine. But Clandestino, keep that bull in the Political Forum. I don't have the patience or peace of mind to deal with that horse right now. you and your politics.

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    I tend to agree with Ploto on this one.

    Statistics show that your are more likely to get killed by a loved one or someone you know than a stranger.

    So it makes sense. How often does an intruder get into your house?

    How often do family members get so pissed off to the level of killing at loved ones/someone they know?

    more Violence happens this way....unfortunately
    Then someone should be able to provide a citation for this statistic/observation.

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    This if from the NRA's website, therefore it is not completely objective yet I'll post it here either way.


    FABLE I: A gun in the home makes the home less safe.

    Firearms are used three to five times more often to stop crimes than to commit them,1 and accidents with firearms are at an all-time recorded low.2 In spite of this, anti-firearm activists insist that the very act of keeping a firearm in the home puts family members at risk, often claiming that a gun in the home is "43 times" more likely to be used to kill a family member than an intruder, based upon a study by anti-gun researchers of firearm-related deaths in homes in King County (Seattle), Washington.3 Although Arthur Kellermann and Donald Reay originally warned that their study was of a single non-representative county and noted that they failed to consider protective uses of firearms that did not result in criminals being killed, anti-gun groups and activists use the "43 times" claim without explaining the limitations of the study or how the ratio was derived.

    To produce the misleading ratio from the study, the only defensive or protective uses of firearms that were counted were those in which criminals were killed by would-be crime victims. This is the most serious of the study's flaws, since fatal shootings of criminals occur in only a fraction of 1% of protective firearm uses nationwide.4 Survey research by award-winning Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck, has shown that firearms are used for protection as many as 2.5 million times annually.5

    It should come as no surprise that Kleck's findings are reflexively dismissed by "gun control" groups, but a leading anti-gun criminologist was honest enough to acknowledge their validity. "I am as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found among the criminologists in this country," wrote the late Marvin E. Wolfgang. "I would eliminate all guns from the civilian population and maybe even from the police. . . . What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator. . . . I do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology."6

    While the "43 times" claim is commonly used to suggest that murders and accidents are likely to occur with guns kept at home, suicides accounted for 37 of every 43 firearm-related deaths in the King County study. Nationwide, 58% of firearm-related deaths are suicides,7 a problem which is not solved by gun laws aimed at denying firearms to criminals. "Gun control" advocates would have the public believe that armed citizens often accidentally kill family members, mistaking them for criminals. But such incidents cons ute less than 2% of fatal firearms accidents, or about one for every 90,000 defensive gun uses.8

    In spite of the demonstrated flaws in his research, Kellermann continued to promote the idea that a gun is inherently dangerous to own. In 1993, he and a number of colleagues presented a study that claimed to show that a home with a gun was much more likely to experience a homicide.9

    This study, too, was seriously flawed. Kellermann studied only homes where homicides had taken place--ignoring the millions of homes with firearms where no harm is done--and used a control group unrepresentative of American households. By looking only at homes where homicides had occurred and failing to control for more pertinent variables, such as prior criminal record or histories of violence, Kellermann et al. skewed the results of this study. After reviewing the study, Prof. Kleck noted that Kellermann's methodology is analogous to proving that since diabetics are much more likely to possess insulin than non-diabetics, possession of insulin is a risk factor for diabetes. Even Dr. Kellermann admitted, "It is possible that reverse causation accounted for some of the association we observed between gun ownership and homicide." Northwestern University Law Professor Daniel D. Polsby went further, writing, "Indeed the point is stronger than that: 'reverse causation' may account for most of the association between gun ownership and homicide. Kellermann's data simply do not allow one to draw any conclusion."10

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    Then someone should be able to provide a citation for this statistic/observation.
    You know I don't have any literature/citation to post. I'm making the observation based on what I learned in school and my three years on the evidence unit.

    And I wasn't just talking about guns per se- I am talking about violence in a general.

    You are more likely to have violence committed against you by someone you know than by a stranger.

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    This if from the NRA's website, therefore it is not completely objective yet I'll post it here either way.
    I'm not interested in the whole gun debate, but 2.5 million uses of protection guns for a year is an outrageous number that doesn't hold up to even the most minimal scrutiny.

    It brings to mind the previous hysterical statistics of 1 million missing children per year. As was pointed out (and I think a Denver newspaper won a Pulitizer for proving), there were about 60,000 deaths total in Vietnam, and almost everyone who was alive then either personally knew someone who had died or knew someone who had lost somebody. So when they started tossing that million per year number around, it means that everyone would have to know about several missing children, when in reality most people didn't know any. That 2.5 million figure reeks the same way.

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    I call bull on the estimation that there are guns in half of all homes in the United States. I don't know why, I just don't think that that many households have guns. I think the guns are more concentrated in places, a house with 1 gun is more likely to have more than 1, etc.

    What does everyone else think? Do that many households have guns?

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    You know I don't have any literature/citation to post. I'm making the observation based on what I learned in school and my three years on the evidence unit.

    And I wasn't just talking about guns per se- I am talking about violence in a general.

    You are more likely to have violence committed against you by someone you know than by a stranger.


    I learned in basic Criminal Justice courses that violence commited against you are more likely to be by someone you know.

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    I want eveyone who is reading this post that I just typed to post if or if not they have a gun.

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    Roomie no. 2 just came home and luckily he had his laptop with him. The only thing he says is missing is a pair of scissors and about 50 cents in pennies, which explains the change I heard through the wall while I was calling 911. The thought that the guy had scissors makes me THAT much more relieved that he didnt get through my bedroom door. The lock and knob are a little hard to turn so I will likely replace them.

    Crazy, he got through the deadbolt on teh front with one thud, my roommates with one thud- but one thud against mine and he didnt get through. Someone was watching over me, I feel twice as lucky now. It wasnt my time to go I guess and so now you es are stuck with me!

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    I want eveyone who is reading this post that I just typed to post if or if not they have a gun.
    Uh.. no gun here. Obviously.

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    Roomie no. 2 just came home and luckily he had his laptop with him. The only thing he says is missing is a pair of scissors and about 50 cents in pennies, which explains the change I heard through the wall while I was calling 911. The thought that the guy had scissors makes me THAT much more relieved that he didnt get through my bedroom door. The lock and knob are a little hard to turn so I will likely replace them.

    Crazy, he got through the deadbolt on teh front with one thud, my roommates with one thud- but one thud against mine and he didnt get through. Someone was watching over me, I feel twice as lucky now. It wasnt my time to go I guess and so now you es are stuck with me!
    And you're laughing about it?



    How do you know that er isn't coming back? I'd buy a gun.

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    And you're laughing about it?



    How do you know that er isn't coming back? I'd buy a gun.
    I have to laugh, or I will cry again. It's a defense mechanism and I bet most people here got it, El Denso.

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