Parker is so non-clutch

[Amuseddaysleeper]

exactly. Its freaking january, Duncan is gonna kill in the playoffs just like last year. Manu will also be the same playoff Manu it looks like. And parker seems like he's improving from last year.

its the ing ty rest of the team + Pop that really piss me off too.

Duncan played arguably the best series of his career last year against Dallas and we still lost


I also don't expect him to do a repeat performance against them this year (especially if AJ is calling fake double teams and Duncan refuses to read the defense that is being thrown at him)

I do expect Duncan to play great against Dallas, but as you said, it is the rest of the team that is the big question mark.

[gilmor]

I would much rather a player show up in the 4th than just the first


Parker time and time again often falters in the 2nd half


Granted, Duncan has been inconsistent at times I'd still believe he is much more apt to take over games in crunch time (as is Manu) than TP

TP is great at the start, then teams figure out how to keep him out of the game as the game wears on (especially the good teams) and then Parker is rendered useless.

If Parker never plays well in the first half, then who do you suppose to carry the load earlier?

Spurs game is based on Parker playing well in the first 3 quarters so that the score line is not too far apart for Manu and Tim to turn it on in the 4th quarter.

Manu is simply not that kind of a player to play consistently well in all 4 quarters. His game is based on 'turning it up' in the 4th quarter.

Having said that, I would say that Duncan's game should allow him to be effective for all 4 quarters. But he is playing well below his expectations.

[manu]

let's just put it this way:

Tony is more of a scorer than a true point guard

THEREFORE

#1 thing in his mind on the open court or transition play is to just run and make a layup

YESTERDAY THAT REALLY SCREWED US
because manu was wide open at one critical point of the last minute of the game, YET parker just ignored him and got his asss packed

[jcrod]

It will never end. Ya'll people are freaking idiots. Btw how many times does Tony give a player wide open looks/shots/layups and they miss. TP has the worst finishers to work with, ever!

A new coworker from the eastcoast recently told me after watching a Spurs game. Wow that Tony guy is really good and he's only 24.

You do realize theres only one other player besides Nash who scores over 19pts, shoots over 50% from the field and averages 6+ assits per game. Guess who it is.

[ducks]

but he sucks donkeys though...
spurs fans think.....................

[ducks]

you put tp with the lakers
and tp's assist would go up or dallas

[exstatic]

you put tp with the lakers
and tp's assist would go up or dallas

You put him on ANY team that doesn't run motion, and his assists go up.

I've seen a team's fans hate on a player before, but I don't think I recall it being an All Star, certainly never an All Star on the Spurs...until now.

[ducks]

kobe and tp and brown would be scary

[MannyIsGod]

You put him on ANY team that doesn't run motion, and his assists go up.

I've seen a team's fans hate on a player before, but I don't think I recall it being an All Star, certainly never an All Star on the Spurs...until now.

Do you really not remember what it was like when David Robinson was here? People ed about him all the god damn time. Why doesn't he dunk? Blah Blah Blah.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The tony hate can be excessive, especially when you can argue he is the most consistent player overall at times, but I'd just like to see him show up more often in the 2nd half of games


He's still improving by the year

[drclic]

OK, TD just disapeared this all year, Manu is just not the same and didn't seem to get really better, Bowen can't stop Dirk, Kobe, so he's useless in playoff stage, Barry, Finley, Udrih just never match spurs basketball (in first you need to defend and they just can't) and all you guys say it's that parker sucks because he's not clutch ...

He's not suppose to, Manu and TD had this role for years now ... so just let him some time to become one now that Spurs need him to be (he needs to work on his long range shot to become one and that's it).

Don't doubt about all his game because he's not clutch, that's so ridiculous and short-minded ... Judge on a 2-3plays on one game : Spurs have to win the game way before this plays !!!!

Tony did great and I think he's the only spurs you can't blame this year.

[T Park]

More Parker hate.

Un, friggen, real.

[TheAffricanFan]

I´d really like to know how many players outside Barbosa can create his own shot on the Suns´s team without Nash ?
I think that it would be difficult to trade Parker with any other team 1on1 .
Parker is not a franchise player and I would do anything to move him and get Billups next year

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

People need to quit bashing Parker, The Spurs are lucky to have a point guard as good as he is.

[diego]

i think the only valid criticism of tony's game is how pop uses him. the kid has great skills, great work ethic, and is a bargain. the question is whether the spurs use him effectively or not.

[ArgSpursFan]

i think the only valid criticism of tony's game is how pop uses him. the kid has great skills, great work ethic, and is a bargain. the question is whether the spurs use him effectively or not.

Thats exacly what I say.He is a great player,But To me he is more a SG who can run the court up and down without the ball,looking for some open looks to shoot or penetrate,he can also be a PG,no doubt,but he is more like AI´s style,and thats not real efective,in my opinion

[exstatic]

Do you really not remember what it was like when David Robinson was here? People ed about him all the god damn time. Why doesn't he dunk? Blah Blah Blah.

I'm not talking complaints, I'm talking outright hatred of a player and his loved one(s). You never heard "That Valerie is such a . David needs to spend less time with her and the kids".

You're probably mostly right, though. Some people just have a few quarts of " " running thru their veins instead of blood. It's probably a lot of the same crowd.

[xapatan2]

I'm not going to read this damn thread, because it is the same damn thing over and over. Parker doesn't know when to pass, he slows down at the end of the game, and he doesn't play the point guard position the way it should be played.

I don't know how many times it has to be said on this board, but here it goes one more time


PARKER PLAYS THE PG POSITION THE WAY HE IS ASKED TO PLAY IT BY POP.

He's not going to be a pure point guard, EVER. So just forget about it! He's always going to be a score first/pass second point guard, and thats the way he's asked to play. He's not Steve Nash, He's not Jason Kidd, and He's not John Stockton so will you all please stop insinuating thats what he needs to be.

Secondly, its easy to focus more on his mistakes in the fourth quarter as last night. But the truth is that the Spurs didn't lose the game on Tony's late turnovers. They lost it with all of the crappy play throughout the game. Tony makes mistakes, and no one here will deny that, but the fact is that so many people here don't understand that many of those so called mistakes are just Tony doing what is asked of him.

Secondly, Tony gets for mistakes that aren't even his. The 2nd TO late last night was on Manu. He waited far too long to start his cut and by the time he was starting to go backdoor Tony was already passing him the ball to isolate up top. Thats not on Tony, thats actually on Manu but how many people here actually catch the nuances of late cuts and/or stopped cuts and how that s the passer?

Listening to people about Tony Parker is like listening to people about David Robinson. Neither are/were perfect, but they are so far above the average it isn't even funny.

and that's where i do stop to read this stupid thread...
when truth ( as for Kori post earlier) has been told..
Xap

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm not going to read this damn thread, because it is the same damn thing over and over. Parker doesn't know when to pass, he slows down at the end of the game, and he doesn't play the point guard position the way it should be played.

I don't know how many times it has to be said on this board, but here it goes one more time


PARKER PLAYS THE PG POSITION THE WAY HE IS ASKED TO PLAY IT BY POP.

He's not going to be a pure point guard, EVER. So just forget about it! He's always going to be a score first/pass second point guard, and thats the way he's asked to play. He's not Steve Nash, He's not Jason Kidd, and He's not John Stockton so will you all please stop insinuating thats what he needs to be.

Secondly, its easy to focus more on his mistakes in the fourth quarter as last night. But the truth is that the Spurs didn't lose the game on Tony's late turnovers. They lost it with all of the crappy play throughout the game. Tony makes mistakes, and no one here will deny that, but the fact is that so many people here don't understand that many of those so called mistakes are just Tony doing what is asked of him.

Secondly, Tony gets for mistakes that aren't even his. The 2nd TO late last night was on Manu. He waited far too long to start his cut and by the time he was starting to go backdoor Tony was already passing him the ball to isolate up top. Thats not on Tony, thats actually on Manu but how many people here actually catch the nuances of late cuts and/or stopped cuts and how that s the passer?

Listening to people about Tony Parker is like listening to people about David Robinson. Neither are/were perfect, but they are so far above the average it isn't even funny.

This thread is not only about last night it's about TP's play over his first 5 yrs..

[ducks]

I wonder if the same fans would bash nash, kidd, chauncy the first five seasons of his nba career

[ArgSpursFan]

let's just put it this way:

Tony is more of a scorer than a true point guard

THEREFORE

#1 thing in his mind on the open court or transition play is to just run and make a layup

YESTERDAY THAT REALLY SCREWED US
because manu was wide open at one critical point of the last minute of the game, YET parker just ignored him and got his asss packed

And that´s been going on for the last year and a half,I guess he didn´t like Manu being the first option for the perimetrals players.

[ducks]

And that´s been going on for the last year and a half,I guess he didn´t like Manu being the first option for the perimetrals players.

you do realize tp has passed to manu for assist right

[ArgSpursFan]

you do realize tp has passed to manu for assist right

Yeah,Way after re realized there was no shot for him.come on man,thats not a Pg minded player at all.he´s playing AI basketball right now,and that may be cool and ,but doesn´t win championships

[Spurminator]

A good two-week ankle sprain for Parker might do this team's fans some good.

[ArgSpursFan]

you do realize tp has passed to manu for assist right

I guess you got speechless

think about it for a sec,a good point guard gets 20 ppg and 5 apg,but a great point guard gets 15 to 17 ppg.and 10 or + apg.Thats the deference that makes a good team a tle contender.