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    Um, Odom, for starters.

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    so let me get this straight ? - Damon Jones looked like an All-star with Wade and Shaq but with Lebron he cannot even get on the court? Do you somehow think that validates Lebron's greatness? To me it is the exact opposite. Damon Jones -- Larry Hughes - both of them far worse off as Cavs...Lebron has not done anything to benefit either one of them
    Damon Jones doesn't play because he's a defensive liability and that's what the Cavs are focused on. Gibson shoots just as good and is better on D, and Eric Snow is alot better on D... Therefore they see the minutes that would go to Jones.

    Hughes.... Man, I don't know what his problem is. His whole game was his athleticism, I guess all the injuries he's had has slowed him down alot.

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    Um, Odom, for starters.
    Odom is crap dude - average player -- What does Odom do that say Scrub Hughes can't do ?

    Z is better than Bynum
    Donyell Marshall is better than Luke
    Anyone is better than Smush
    Sasha is better than Brian Cook
    The Lakers roster is a joke.

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    Damon Jones doesn't play because he's a defensive liability and that's what the Cavs are focused on. Gibson shoots just as good and is better on D, and Eric Snow is alot better on D... Therefore they see the minutes that would go to Jones.

    Hughes.... Man, I don't know what his problem is. His whole game was his athleticism, I guess all the injuries he's had has slowed him down alot.
    Pat Riley doesn't focus on defense? My point is -- I don't think Lebron has made anyone on that roster a better player. I mean hughes is worse -Damon Jones is worse- Z is worse (injuries)... Donyell Marshall is the same - Gooden is debatable.

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    Um, Odom, for starters.

    You're kidding, right? I bet you've watched maybe 3 Lakers games all season.


    Odom is a great player (when he's not hampered with some injury or the other which is about 30% of the time). However, he's the equivalent of Larry Hughes for Lebron. Lebron has shooters that the Cavs surround him with: Donyell Mars , Gibson, Gooden, etc.

    Kobe basically has one "shooter" who the Lakers can put on the floor with him: Cook...which isn't saying much. Smush Parker is not a shooter, Sasha Vuijic/Farmar etc are too young and inexperienced to be considered for this.

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    Pat Riley doesn't focus on defense? My point is -- I don't think Lebron has made anyone on that roster a better player. I mean hughes is worse -Damon Jones is worse- Z is worse (injuries)... Donyell Marshall is the same - Gooden is debatable.
    Exactly. Again I say, who did they go through in the East?

    Past two years, Kobe has had to take his team past the Suns......You think Lebron could have gotten the Cavs out of the first round if they had to face the Suns past two years? In a series against the Suns, you'd think he'd be able to make his team-mates look better?

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    If I had to choose between building a team around Lebron or Wade, I'd choose both in SpursTalk Dynasty Fantasy League 1.

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    most of the posters here defending the great king james dont know jack about the lakers or the amount of support kobe gets. the truth is the two rosters are damn near equivalent as far as talent is concerned

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    Pat Riley doesn't focus on defense? My point is -- I don't think Lebron has made anyone on that roster a better player. I mean hughes is worse -Damon Jones is worse- Z is worse (injuries)... Donyell Marshall is the same - Gooden is debatable.
    Yea, well Mike Brown is no Pat Riley to say the least... Riley, like Pop and unlike Brown, realizes there's different players and different plays for different situations, and you need to coach the game accordingly

    Bron has DEFINATLY made Gibson a better player tho, just by giving him his vote of confidence it's done wonders for his game. He's not afraid to take the shot or drive it to the basket (which he really didn't even do much at Texas).... as for the other players, probably not, Gooden and Varajao maybe. I wasn't really disagreeing with you, I was just sayin that's the reason why Jones doesn't play much.

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    Exactly. Again I say, who did they go through in the East?

    Past two years, Kobe has had to take his team past the Suns......You think Lebron could have gotten the Cavs out of the first round if they had to face the Suns past two years? In a series against the Suns, you'd think he'd be able to make his team-mates look better?

    lebron would not have gotten his team in the playoffs

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    most of the posters here defending the great king james dont know jack about the lakers or the amount of support kobe gets. the truth is the two rosters are damn near equivalent as far as talent is concerned

    amen -- i would venture to say Lebron's team is a little better.

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    You are really downplaying the intangibles guys like Wade and Kobe have brought. Lebron took his team past the Wizards, Nets, and Pistons to the Finals. The highlight was obviously his play in Game 5 against the Pistons where he showed that when he wants to he is nearly unstoppable.

    I have seen Wade do what Lebron did in Game 5 for 4 straight games in the NBA Finals. I have seen Kobe do what Lebron did in Game 5 for 3 straight years against your very Spurs team from 2000-2003.
    And they both Kobe and Wade played with Shaq in those years. It's not magic that whenever Shaq is on the floor, a superstar stud emerges at shooting guard.

    From Chris Jackson, to Penny Hardaway, to Kobe Bryant, to Dwyane Wade.

    Do you think it's all just one big coincidence?

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    Yea, well Mike Brown is no Pat Riley to say the least... Riley, like Pop and unlike Brown, realizes there's different players and different plays for different situations, and you need to coach the game accordingly

    Bron has DEFINATLY made Gibson a better player tho, just by giving him his vote of confidence it's done wonders for his game. He's not afraid to take the shot or drive it to the basket (which he really didn't even do much at Texas).... as for the other players, probably not, Gooden and Varajao maybe. I wasn't really disagreeing with you, I was just sayin that's the reason why Jones doesn't play much.

    I don't know if you can credit the s game to Lebron - I mean he was getting his shots all on his own out there -- he is monta ellis of the East. I guess Lebron might give him some confidence but to hear folks say it- they always knew man boob could play,

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    Also, Timvp: I love how you automatically annoit Lebron the better passer. I guess you missed those Lakers games towards the end of the season where Kobe was having 30, 9, and 6 games and the Lakers were still losing. Kobe is a very underrated passer, problem is his assist totals don't reflect it since he has Smush Parker, Odom, and Kwame Brown either fumbling his passes or missing their shots.
    LeBron is 50,000 times the passer Kobe has ever been or will ever be.

    Also it's important to note, Kobe HAS to score 30+ points for his team to win....that's how bad the rest of that team is. Lebron doesn't have to...he had a horrendous Game 1 against the Spurs....yet the Cavs only lost by 9 and were down by 5 at halftime with Lebron scoring 0. If that were the Lakers and Kobe had 0 points at halftime.......how much do you think the Spurs would have been up by? My point being that it's easy for a great player to look even greater when he has halfway decent teammates. Lebron's teammates are highly underrated.
    That's because LeBron can make his teammates better even when he isn't scoring. If Kobe isn't scoring, he's close to worthless.

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    most of the posters here defending the great king james dont know jack about the lakers or the amount of support kobe gets. the truth is the two rosters are damn near equivalent as far as talent is concerned
    Kobe has a horrible team.... So does LeBron.... There's really no edge.

    Bron does have better shooters tho imo, which, combined with his style of play and passing ability.... I think gives the Cavs a better chance of beating teams than the Lakers.

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    hughes is greater then smush
    gibson looks to be more promising then anything lakers currently have
    lakers are always on tv in yuma land
    odom is never agressive enough
    kobe wants him to be
    if lakers faced what cavs faced in playoffs they would be in finals right now
    james is great but he is still learning
    he needs more experience and make his decisions faster
    he is gaining my respect slowerly
    what kobe and wade have on james is playoff experience

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    oh and for all of you that take defense into consideration, there is no debate and "testing" is right, Kobe s on LeBron as far as defense is concerned
    Did you not see LeBron hold Prince to 16-66 for the series? Who did Kobe guard on the Suns?

    LeBron was a bad defender a few seasons ago. That's old news now.

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    And they both Kobe and Wade played with Shaq in those years. It's not magic that whenever Shaq is on the floor, a superstar stud emerges at shooting guard.

    From Chris Jackson, to Penny Hardaway, to Kobe Bryant, to Dwyane Wade.

    Do you think it's all just one big coincidence?
    woah == Chris Jackson was at LSU long before Shaq showed up and he set evey frosh scoring record available -- (EXAG.. but you get the point) - he did not make Chris Jackson - Jackson was already well established.

    Dwayne wade was already a player before Shaq went to the Heat and Kobe would have been too - with or without Shaq - Kobe would have been Kobe.

    I will let the nickel slide because his game went south -- way south - injuries - confidence I don;t know what it was but his game left with Shaq.

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    Odom is crap dude - average player -- What does Odom do that say Scrub Hughes can't do ?



    implacable44 should stick to being the PC police.

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    james d is better
    mike brown told him he needs to buy into it
    that is why cavs d is as good as it is

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    50,000 times the passer? don't overstate it or anything.

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    most of the posters here defending the great king james dont know jack about the lakers or the amount of support kobe gets. the truth is the two rosters are damn near equivalent as far as talent is concerned
    Yeah you have a Lakers homer and a guy who thinks Beno Udrih played a huge role in the Pistons series in 2005 on your side.

    You need to figure out there is a difference between finding the best wing and finding the best scorer.

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    I don't know if you can credit the s game to Lebron - I mean he was getting his shots all on his own out there -- he is monta ellis of the East. I guess Lebron might give him some confidence but to hear folks say it- they always knew man boob could play,
    Most of his shots come from LeBron driving and kicking out ala Tony to Bruce.... I don't know where the driving ability came from, I never remember him being that good at it at UT........ but that vote of confidence thing is huge imo, especially coming from your superstar as a rookie.

    I think I know where you're coming from with your Ellis comparision, but their games really arn't too similar.

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    implacable44 should stick to being the PC police.

    your mom what?

    get an IQ - then get a basketball IQ that has to do with something besides regurgitating what you hear on sports talk and ESPN and then come back and talk to me.

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    You're kidding, right? I bet you've watched maybe 3 Lakers games all season.


    Odom is a great player (when he's not hampered with some injury or the other which is about 30% of the time). However, he's the equivalent of Larry Hughes for Lebron. Lebron has shooters that the Cavs surround him with: Donyell Mars , Gibson, Gooden, etc.

    Kobe basically has one "shooter" who the Lakers can put on the floor with him: Cook...which isn't saying much. Smush Parker is not a shooter, Sasha Vuijic/Farmar etc are too young and inexperienced to be considered for this.
    Odom is a superior player to Hughes without a doubt. And I've seen a fair number of Laker games this season.

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