Don't fall for it!

[Zig]

Start any where you prefer. In fact, I would love for you to point out my grammatical errors for I would enjoy learning about grammar on a basketball forum.
And how did I twist your words? How did the following quote not show that you have directly called people "lambs" for not agreeing with your statement that Lebron is immature? How does it not say that you said people are on crack if they didn't believe Brown and Ferry did not instruct James' behaviour in front of the press?


Tell me, for I would like to know how the mind of a genius works.

You sir are the one referring to me as a genius. I have not made that claim at all.

My "lamb" reference was for the people that were jumping on the "LeBron(MadDog) grew up and showed his maturity" bandwagon. I referred to them as lambs because lambs are led to the slaughter without knowing what is happening. I was using that metaphor to show that these people were also being duped by LeBron's(MadDog) comments at the end of the game. IT IS MY OPINION that LeBron(MadDog) was not being sincere.

[td4mvp3]

and this stuff matters from the same point of view of why it always strikes a nerve when the media calls the spurs boring, bowen dirty, manu a flopper, tim a whiner and this team's accomplishment this year lucky. it's a sign of continued disrespect of a truly class organization and the shaping of public perception regardless of actual fact. the same reason espn analysts debate how this team is boring despite an espn poll showing 60 percent of the respondents think just the opposite is the reason lebron is being cheered as a class act for his response. it's spin and annoying and helps in keeping the spurs from being appreciated.

[Zig]

zig just seems too caught up in hammering his point than recognizing his argument. this has nothing to do with how classy/mature lebron is, there's no way to tell precisely because he was going through a rehearsed response in the postgame interview and his behavior on the court was typical of any ballplayer, not an iota more mature or immature than daniel gibson or tim duncan in the situation. the point, though, is how the media has crafted this "oh, what a gracious and classy answer" response to the question of bowen's foul, which doesn't withstand the light of day.

Thank you TD for helping me out. It is hard to flush things out when you have someone who is twisting my words and not seeing my original argument.

[ambchang]

Ok Again, and this is the last time I will post this for you. The first quote you posted there is a reply directed to MadDog. The second quote is directed to you.

This is not a case of hipocrisy. I direct you to the netiquette post I directed toward you several posts ago. In there I explain how you can have side conversations with people in a single thread.

Now if I made fun of your lack of a diploma and then was upset that YOU personally attacked me, that would be hipocrisy. See the difference?

I just looked up hipocrasy, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hipocrisy, and there is no such word.
OMG, college boy can't spell! This must be the end of the world!
So you would agree that it is not hypocrisy for a priest to molester a child as long as he does not say to the child it is wrong to molester children?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocrite
Try reading again.
So not only have you shown that you are a hypocrite, you have shown that you do not have the mental capacity to understand OR spell hypocrite. I am starting to have doubts about my offer to have you correct my grammar.
Hypocrisy is NOT flipping out of shame.
If you cannot understand what

[ambchang]

You sir are the one referring to me as a genius. I have not made that claim at all.

My "lamb" reference was for the people that were jumping on the "LeBron(MadDog) grew up and showed his maturity" bandwagon. I referred to them as lambs because lambs are led to the slaughter without knowing what is happening. I was using that metaphor to show that these people were also being duped by LeBron's(MadDog) comments at the end of the game. IT IS MY OPINION that LeBron(MadDog) was not being sincere.

well duh!

[MadDog73]

the same reason espn analysts debate how this team is boring, despite an espn poll showing 60 percent of the respondents think just the opposite, is the reason lebron is being cheered as a class act for his response. it's spin and annoying and helps in keeping the spurs from being appreciated.

OK, I lied. I have to respond to this.

Are you saying that respect for LeBron is actually hurting the Spurs?

Complete and utter bull . One has nothing to do with the other.

To bring this argument full circle:

Are we to blame LeBron for the media blitz? Is it his fault that ratings are low? Last time I checked, he never promised to be the savior of the NBA. He just promised to play hard and try to win games.

So far, he's kept his promises.

[ambchang]

Thank you TD for helping me out. It is hard to flush things out when you have someone who is twisting my words and not seeing my original argument.

ANd yet not once was the media mentioned in the original quote.

Many of you lambs are buying into this "LeBron showed his maturity after the game" crap. That he really grew up by referring to the final play as "incidental contact." Give me a break! He was blowing up at Delaney at the end of the game and making a spectacle of himself. You are on crack if you don't think Danny Ferry and Mike Brown got a hold of him after the game and told him to stop crying and to not make excuses in the press conference. He didn't look sincere for a moment during that press conference. Sure you want a player with fire and emotion, but please stop making Le out to be humble.

Those of you who think he is humble and mature...You are speaking of a guy who has "Chosen 1" tatooed all over his back. Real classy,real mature, and real humble!

BTW, this is called bailing out, not hypocrisy.

[Zig]

OK, I lied. I have to respond to this.

Are you saying that respect for LeBron is actually hurting the Spurs?

Complete and utter bull . One has nothing to do with the other.

To bring this argument full circle:

Are we to blame LeBron for the media blitz? Is it his fault that ratings are low? Last time I checked, he never promised to be the savior of the NBA. He just promised to play hard and try to win games.

So far, he's kept his promises.

See ambchang...This was directed toward TD - I will not be responding to this post. Netiquette!

[td4mvp3]

OK, I lied. I have to respond to this.

Are you saying that respect for LeBron is actually hurting the Spurs?

Complete and utter bull . One has nothing to do with the other.

To bring this argument full circle:

Are we to blame LeBron for the media blitz? Is it his fault that ratings are low? Last time I checked, he never promised to be the savior of the NBA. He just promised to play hard and try to win games.

So far, he's kept his promises.

no, respect for lebron is fine, but misguided respect based on some molded perception is not. had the guy just said "yeah, i got fouled but it didn't get called, them's the breaks. it's a good learning experience and sometimes you just don't get calls" then fine, he's a mature classy guy. but that nonsense about incidental contact required you to disbelieve your own eyes. it was not incidental, it was a foul. but that response was once carefully constructed before lebron stepped out on the stage, crafted to provide the least bit of acknowledgement to bowen. the fact that no one has called lebron on that points to the media facilitating that message and enabling the spin. that exact habit of enabling such scripted messages (lebron's classy for not calling a foul a foul, the spurs are boring for not doing alley oops all the time but still being phoenix in uptempo games, gino's a flopper despite getting hammered going to the rim) continues to keep the limelight off the spurs and their accomplishments. this is less about lebron and more about the media image of lebron.

[td4mvp3]

OK, I lied. I have to respond to this.

Are you saying that respect for LeBron is actually hurting the Spurs?

Complete and utter bull . One has nothing to do with the other.

To bring this argument full circle:

Are we to blame LeBron for the media blitz? Is it his fault that ratings are low? Last time I checked, he never promised to be the savior of the NBA. He just promised to play hard and try to win games.

So far, he's kept his promises.

and this is exactly my point. you have analysts saying people shouldn't expect lebron to be michael jordan ... while ignoring the fact that the only people comparing lebron to jordan are fellow analysts. believing lebron's postgame response as anything other than well-crafted one-upmanship meant to damn with faint praise is akin to thinking lebron is all-hype because he didn't deliver on promises he never made.

[ambchang]

See ambchang...This was directed toward TD - I will not be responding to this post. Netiquette!

Oh no, I am responding to his post even though you are quoting MadDog73, but addressing me.
If I were to tell you that responding to posts with quotes of someone else is wrong, then proceed to do that, then it would be hypocrisy, but then I didn't.
Also, by your logic, there would be no possibility of more than one person in the same conversation after a person replied. For example
A starts thread
B replied.
A replied B (At this point, you have ruled out C joining the conversation)
so on and so forth.
This is about the stupidest thing I have heard to day, anybody who doesn't agree with me is on crack.

[MadDog73]

this is less about lebron and more about the media image of lebron.

I'll agree with you there.

The media sucks, I guess, whether you're LeBron or the Spurs.


(oh, and Zig please don't take my ignoring you as some sign of "netiquette". I just don't see the point in responding. But, for the record, anyone can comment on anything.)

[Zig]

(oh, and Zig please don't take my ignoring you some sign of "netiquette". I just don't see the point in responding. But, for the record, anyone can comment on anything.)

Anyone can also take a in a flowerbed....That doesn't make it the right thing to do.

[Zig]

Oh no, I am responding to his post even though you are quoting MadDog73, but addressing me.
If I were to tell you that responding to posts with quotes of someone else is wrong, then proceed to do that, then it would be hypocrisy, but then I didn't.
Also, by your logic, there would be no possibility of more than one person in the same conversation after a person replied. For example
A starts thread
B replied.
A replied B (At this point, you have ruled out C joining the conversation)
so on and so forth.
This is about the stupidest thing I have heard to day, anybody who doesn't agree with me is on crack.

Utter Babble.

[MadDog73]

Anyone can also take a in a flowerbed....That doesn't make it the right thing to do.

Like that's even close to the same thing. Boy, are you stupid.

Just admit your orginal post is wrong, and move on. This hole your digging is getting deeper and deeper...


(damn. I broke my promise)

[ambchang]

Anyone can also take a in a flowerbed....That doesn't make it the right thing to do.

Anyone can take a leisure walk on the street, so if anything has any shred of commonality, it must make them equal. The next time I see someone strolling down the street, I will tell them this is equivalent to taking a in a flowerbed because anyone can do either. Another brilliant take by the genius.
BTW, I responded to a message you have to MadDog73, these are your rules, not mine.

[MadDog73]

Oh no, I am responding to his post even though you are quoting MadDog73, but addressing me.
If I were to tell you that responding to posts with quotes of someone else is wrong, then proceed to do that, then it would be hypocrisy, but then I didn't.
Also, by your logic, there would be no possibility of more than one person in the same conversation after a person replied. For example
A starts thread
B replied.
A replied B (At this point, you have ruled out C joining the conversation)
so on and so forth.
This is about the stupidest thing I have heard to day, anybody who doesn't agree with me is on crack.

ambchang is right on. If "netiquette" existed as Zig implies, then there would be no point in message boards.

We might as well be PMing.

[Zig]

Like that's even close to the same thing. Boy, are you stupid.

Just admit your orginal post is wrong, and move on. This hole your digging is getting deeper and deeper...


(damn. I broke my promise)

My initial quote is MY OPINION. I stand by MY OPINION. You and ambWANG have YOUR opinions.

[MadDog73]

My initial quote is MY OPINION. I stand by MY OPINION. You and ambWANG have YOUR opinions.

And IMO, your opinion is wrong.

Boy, this is fun. I can do this all day.

[ambchang]

Utter Babble.

Would you think simply posting SOMETHING to a post without addressing any of the points make you look smart?
By saying "Utter Babble" without explaining how it makes sense to have your so-called "netiquette" and not destroy the flow of open ideas in a public forum, you just admitted that you ran out of points.
As a reminder, you can't even win an argument from a guy without a college diploma.

[Zig]

And IMO, your opinion is wrong.

Boy, this is fun. I can do this all day.

Opinion - A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.

Please prove mine wrong and yours correct with positive knowledge or proof. If you can do that sucessfully (which you will not be able to do), I will agree that my opinion is wrong. Even though opinions cant be wrong by definition.

[ambchang]

My initial quote is MY OPINION. I stand by MY OPINION. You and ambWANG have YOUR opinions.

Wow! After 5 pages, we finally agreed that your first post is your opinion, and not some facts because it spew out of your keyboard.
Now can we take the next step and rehabilitate you so that you can admit to errors, such as the spelling and meaning of hypocrisy/hypocrite, or that Lebron James' postgame actions did not show immaturity or classlessness?

[Zig]

Would you think simply posting SOMETHING to a post without addressing any of the points make you look smart?
By saying "Utter Babble" without explaining how it makes sense to have your so-called "netiquette" and not destroy the flow of open ideas in a public forum, you just admitted that you ran out of points.
As a reminder, you can't even win an argument from a guy without a college diploma.

Not at all - you just grew tiresome. There are plenty of people who have posted in this thread that agree that LeBron(MadDog) was not sincere and is not humble. You will not change my opinion and you will not come down from LeBron's(MadDog) sack. TD said it correctly. It was a well crafted response that LeBron(MadDog) gave. End of story.

[ambchang]

Opinion - A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.

Please prove mine wrong and yours correct with positive knowledge or proof. If you can do that sucessfully (which you will not be able to do), I will agree that my opinion is wrong. Even though opinions cant be wrong by definition.

It is my opinion that you are a dumbass.
Please prove mine wrong with positive knowledge or proof. If you can do that sucessfully (which you will not be able to do), I will agree that my opinion is wrong. Even though opinions cant be wrong by definition

[MadDog73]

Many of you lambs are buying into this "LeBron showed his maturity after the game" crap. That he really grew up by referring to the final play as "incidental contact." Give me a break! He was blowing up at Delaney at the end of the game and making a spectacle of himself.

This is demonstrable false. Talking to an official is not "making a spectacle." The game was over, so there is no delay of game or any other nonsense. Players can plead their case to refs on the court and do it all the time.

Those of you who think he is humble and mature...You are speaking of a guy who has "Chosen 1" tatooed all over his back. Real classy,real mature, and real humble!

My real issue. Class and maturity have nothing to do with tatoos.

You have not proven that LeBron has no class or maturity. Therefore, your argument fails.

(I never argued that LeBron is humble, and in fact have recommended you make that your sole argument. At least then, you have a chance of proving something).