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I do when these capologists were for the most part in favor of signing Jack.
Taxes and cost of living have nothing to do with cap space...Jaxk makes more money than Barry on an annual basis...
What you are saying is that Jack would have taken less to come here...prove it. And I know what Jack said in the past...but obviously he has different idea of less than other people.
The Spurs cap was very tight after signing Manu for the purposes of still being able to pick up a mid level FA.....I mean you didn't even see them try to sign Hedo, and they wanted Hedo back...the difference between he and Jack's salary is less than the difference between Jack and Barry's salaries...
I do when these capologists were for the most part in favor of signing Jack.
That's part of my point.
Taxes, cost of living, playing back where he won his ring, etc. The money difference is practically nonexistent. Jack makes more in salary because of those factors.What you are saying is that Jack would have taken less to come here...prove it.
The difference was negligible. It wasn't about the cap it was about the Spurs willing to commit to Stephen Jackson for six years.And I know what Jack said in the past...but obviously he has different idea of less than other people.
The Spurs cap was very tight after signing Manu and still being able to pick up a mid level FA.....I mean you didn't even see them try to sign Hedo, and they wanted Hedo back...the difference between he and Jack's salary is less than the difference between Jack and Barry's salaries...
You need to find some new capologists.
I also hope you realize that Barry took less money to play in San Antonio too. Part of the reason was that he wanted to win and part of it was definitely cost of living issues.
Well for all you know what Jack is making now is his idea of less....he was a part of an S&T fairly late in the FA period...
I do know he took less....he took the offer the Spurs could give him and still do what they wanted to do within their cap space...Their cap space was tight...
He makes 500 K less this season than Jack...they only had like 300 K left over after signing Barry...that tells me that they didn't have enough to offer Jack what he wanted...and what Jack is making is what he was left with as his options disappeared.
You say the Spurs didn't want Jax on a 6 year deal...why? They signed Rasho to a 6 year deal..and they didn't have a clue how he was going to fit in our system.
It wasn't the number of years they had a problem with on Parker's contract it was the annual ammount.
They signed Barry to a 3 year deal because he is 33 years old...I don't blame them for not giving Barry a 6 year deal...who wants to pay a 40 year old 10 million a season.
I say to you that if Jack had wanted to be here...he'd be here. Barry did...Jax wanted to get paid. That offer he got from Indy was the top offer he got from any team.
There you go. Had the Spurs come with a six year deal when they were talking to him they would have stood a good chance of signing him. The Spurs better pull off another foreign surprise to fill their small forward position
sparky his agent di dnot return spurs phone calls when he left sa
spurs offered him the most
his agent is known for being an idiot
had he wanted to come to sa he would have fired hsi agent
spurs then would have called
Which was?
Why can we count on Barry to play for nominally less yet cannot do the same for Jackson?
So you say.He makes 500 K less this season than Jack
Again, when you factor in the stuff which Barry apparently did then it's not an issue. A 200k difference in a six year deal, 40 million dollar deal is roughly 1.2 million. Barry took 3 million less than the 24 million dollar deal he was offered to stay in Seattle....they only had like 300 K left over after signing Barry...that tells me that they didn't have enough to offer Jack what he wanted...and what Jack is making is what he was left with as his options disappeared.
Because it's harder to find a decent center in the NBA. Also I would argue because the Spurs didn't want to commit such a large deal to Jackson. Remember what their offer to him in the summer after winning the championship was?You say the Spurs didn't want Jax on a 6 year deal...why? They signed Rasho to a 6 year deal..and they didn't have a clue how he was going to fit in our system.
No. The Spurs clearly did not want to give him that deal until The Franchise and Pop spoke up.It wasn't the number of years they had a problem with on Parker's contract it was the annual ammount.
That isn't really relevant here. Why not sign the 26 year old who has proven himself of being a clutch playoff player and fits in your system instead of the guy who's 7 years older and who never had?They signed Barry to a 3 year deal because he is 33 years old...I don't blame them for not giving Barry a 6 year deal...who wants to pay a 40 year old 10 million a season.
And Jack could easily have gotten paid in San Antonio, had ownership been willing to pony up.I say to you that if Jack had wanted to be here...he'd be here. Barry didi...Jax wanted to get paid.
barry won't break out of his slump riding the pine....and devin is getting his share of minutes. i don't see what the problem is. we need them both to win the le, and if your gonna slump, do it early in the season with the team on cruise control.
looking at the season stats, barry is getting 23 mpg and devin is at 15.
LAST Night however, Barry got 18 and Dev 22. So it looks like Pop agrees with you.
Bottomline, you play the hot hand, but otherwise, we all know Pop is gonna let defensive matchups dictate minutes.
Ask ing Jack...he is the one making more annually, and has 6 year deal, elsehwhere....not me.
Jack makes more money annually, and he's got a longer contract. How hard is this to figure out? It's not even up to debate.
JackSo you say.
Barry
You need to tell Jack this, not me....he's the one making more money...and on a longer contract.Again, when you factor in the stuff which Barry apparently did then it's not an issue. A 200k difference in a six year deal, 40 million dollar deal is roughly 1.2 million. Barry took 3 million less than the 24 million dollar deal he was offered to stay in Seattle.
Yeah? And did you want Manu signed or not?Because it's harder to find a decent center in the NBA. Also I would argue because the Spurs didn't want to commit such a large deal to Jackson. Remember what their offer to him in the summer after winning the championship was?
Parker? Yeah but they weren't arguing over the length of the contract...the difference was 2 million in the first year...and with interest over the length...they got tight with Parker...but you are saying they let Jack get away over an amount of 500k....I don't think they did that, willingly.No. The Spurs clearly did not want to give him that deal until The Franchise and Pop spoke up.
First off going by the links you just provided the difference in first year salary is $400k. Assuming you are correct about the $300k left over in cap room now we are talking about a $100k annual difference in salary, or a $600k difference in a contract in the $40 mil range.
I think it should say something that the Franchise and Pop did not speak up.they have shown in the past that if they really want a player they will step to the plate to get him. I agree with sparky that ultimately it was not a money issue, the spurs would have taken Jack for what they offered him, but they were not going to make a huge effort to persuade him back to the spurs. Lets not forget that Jax was the Turnover king when he was in SA. Didn't he average six a game in the Finals? I think their are a lot of good and Bad that Both Barry and Jax bring. However Barry will turn it around at some point. some one who has played as well as he has for as long as he has will turn it around.
P.S. I think the deal they offered him after the championship year was 12 mil for 3 years with an optional 4th. His agent turned them down and then had to take less money with the Hawks. His agent is known for making making horrible decisions.
Apparently it is rather hard for you to figure out. At this point you are simply being obstinate as a matter of pride.Ask ing Jack...he is the one making more annually, and has 6 year deal, elsehwhere....not me.
Jack makes more money annually, and he's got a longer contract. How hard is this to figure out? It's not even up to debate.
The difference was 2 million over the entire deal. Also it wasn't a 500k difference it was ultimately a 100k difference going by the numbers you have stated and cited.Parker? Yeah but they weren't arguing over the length of the contract...the difference was 2 million in the first year...and with interest over the length...they got tight with Parker...but you are saying they let Jack get away over an amount of 500k....I don't think they did that, willingly.
It wasn't about Manu it was about their manic obsession to be used by Kobe Bryant.Yeah? And did you want Manu signed or not?
Well, so far this season, the Spurs have the fortune to have Beno and Devin start producing off the bench. Swingman off the bench and/or backup PG was supposed to be Barry's job, now the second one is gone, and the 1st one is going.
But it's a long season and since the Spurs are playing something like 20 games in 10 nights, its good to keep your starters' minutes down. I'd say Manu 30, Bowen 30, Brown 20, Barry 16 for minutes. The Spurs can wait for Barry to find himself. Sometimes that works (SJax) and sometimes that doesn't (Hedo).
Good points. Thankfully Devin and Beno have produced or Barry's struggles would really be hurting the team.
What part of salary cap don't you understand?
It's only a soft cap in certain situations....and signing outside FA when you don't have the MLE is not one of them in which it is soft.
And I'm not 100% certain I am right about how much capspace they had left...it might have been more, it might have been less...but it wasn't much...I know that.
And Jack's numbers are what Jack ultimately signed for....you can't prove that's what he was asking for from the Spurs...and if you can give me the link.
Good points though sound fundamentals aren't always the best. Hedo was technically superior to Jackson though whose nuts shrank in the playoffs and who's didn't?
I will say this about Hedo, at least his nuts didn't shrink in November.
Wrong 100% wrong and on this I know you are wrong.
They had no idea what type of contract Manu was going to get offered in FA and if they had signed Jack to the contract he asked for they would have only been able to match up to the MLE for Manu....If we'd signed Jack that first year there is no gurantee we would have been able to resign Manu.
It had nothing to do with Kobe...
This I am 100% certain of.
Hopefully with the experience that Barry has he will not need the minutes to find himself. At some point this season the spurs are going to need him, whether it is to hit a big three or to hit clutch free throws(detroit pistons game). Barry knows it is about the team, the best thing for the team is to get Devin in there while he is playing well in order to develop consistency. Same with Beno. I honestly think that down the road all the guys getting playing time are going to have a defining moment. Just like Kerr in 03 in the Mavericks game. It is going to be exciting.
You are right on this...I mis-stated it...but you still have to prove Jack was willing to sign here for less..and that he only wanted the amount he took from Indy....Indy was his last option to still get a decent contract and be able to play for a winning team...
I'm not being obstinate...you are talking and you haven't backed up a single thing you have said with any kind of link...
100% out of your ass.
Gimme a link and I might agree with you...I might get more pissed about then you are.
I think if Jack had wanted to be here...he'd be here.
Oh, I understand it. Apparently you are having some difficulty.What part of salary cap don't you understand?
That's not the issue here.It's only a soft cap in certain situations....and outside FA when you don't have the MLE are not one of them in which it is soft.
You weren't even sure what the salary difference was between Jackson and Barry and you posted the links which contained that information.And I'm not 100% certain I am right about how much capspace they had left...it might have been more, it might have been less...but it wasn't much...I know that.
Go to Patricia's site.And that's what Jack ultimately signed for....you can't prove that's what he was asking for from the Spurs...and if you can give me the link.
Jack signed for something more which was tantamount to a rounding error over the life of the contract than what the Spurs could have nominally offered. The salary cap room left over was a little more than 300k but I decided to be generous and use your numbers.
You make out the $600k difference that Jack signed for versus what the Spurs could have offered (using your numbers) as some insurmountable amount, yet Barry himself signed for $3 million less than what he was offered elsewhere.
You've yet to explain any of this.
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