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Actually, the Sonoran-style Mexican food is far better there, and Phoenix also has La Parilla Suiza (Mexico-city style). But, if you're like me, you prefer the Tex-Mex, so in that case you take San Antonio.
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Actually, the Sonoran-style Mexican food is far better there, and Phoenix also has La Parilla Suiza (Mexico-city style). But, if you're like me, you prefer the Tex-Mex, so in that case you take San Antonio.
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I live in S.A. I was on my way over to the AT&T Center to check them out, but had to turn back because a gang firefight broke out on East Houston. I heard the arena is surrounded by sand bags and National Guardsmen.
Yeah, that was a threat.
You're an idiot and should not procreate. That is, when you pass the age of puberty. Now, go play in the street and stop posting on a SPURS board; your obsession continues! Ignore for the re who doesn't understand English.
Pulling into the lead is "oligarchy." Will ShagiaFrost respond to being passed? Stay tuned....Yeah, that was a threat.
You're an idiot and should not procreate. That is, when you pass the age of puberty. Now, go play in the street and stop posting on a SPURS board; your obsession continues! Ignore for the re who doesn't understand English.
Spurs fans of course don't have any idea what basketball can be behind these four golden trophies blocking our view at the SBC Center.....
But of course Suns fans only know one type of basketball.....and thats Non-Championship basketball, and that type of basketball Spurs fans will never come to know.
And in that perfect PTR post, this particular excerpt is the most on-point. It's the elephant in the room Suns fans will never acknowledge.What's ironic to me about the suspensions is that with everyone questioning the integrity of the NBA in general and David Stern in particular, it took a lot of guts and ethics to do what he did. Think about it, why would this guy purposefully pull the strings for the Spurs? What's in it for him? Our team gets NO ratings. We play a slowdown style, our players don't say or do anything outrageous, and our coach shuns the media like a plague. ESPN can't stand us, and the public won't watch us. Our players are known as either shameless and balding floppers, dirty thugs, whiners, or emotionless automatons. Our point guard is only "NOW" because he's married to a woman everyone wants to sleep with.
Somebody give me one selfish or business-driven reason why Stern would want the Spurs in the NBA Finals. Go ahead, I've got all day.
Never said he did.
Link? Because I'm sure you'd never embellish or post an out right lie.
Sounds like another butt-hurt S0ns fan. I bring facts to the table and expose their ty team as pretenders and they get angry.
Steve Trash = plays no defense so he flops like a fish on the defensive end. Steve Trash and Raja Bell are right up there with the other top floppers:
http://82games.com/charges0607.htm
Ginobli, on the other hand, is a great defender:
http://82games.com/nichols2.htm
Manu has a score of 56.3 while Steve Trash is a pathetic -0.4. It's pretty sad when the NBA starts giving out MVPs to one-dimensional gimmick players with no defense. So let's sum up Steve Trash:
-He was an average player on the Mavs. Dallas gets rid of him and they turn into a great team.
-He joins the S0ns and, thanks to the Phoenix media, wins two undeserved MVPs. He still can't play defense, still can't make the Finals, whines everytime he gets eliminated from the playoffs, and flops like a .
A S0ns fan whining about the other team's whining.
Besides, D'Antoni and Amare take the cake in the whining department. Neither of these two earned their reps.
Wow. Another dumbass S0ns homer that would take a gimmick player like Steve Trash over a prime Payton. ing ridiculous. Replace Steve Trash with a young Payton and the S0ns would be a first tier contender for the championship. With Nash the S0ns are, at best, a second-tier team along with the likes of the Jazz, Rockets, and Nuggets.
[QUOTE=Johnny RIngo]Sounds like another butt-hurt S0ns fan. I bring facts to the table and expose their ty team as pretenders and they get angry.
"I bring facts to the table" - It sounds like the same crap you pulled out from a previous post when you called the suns a second tier team. I Believe you had the Nuggets and Rockets ahead of the Suns, but the "facts" state that the Suns have owned the Nuggets and the Rockets. I know, these are your pulled from my ass-stats.
Regarding Payton/Nash - Payton hands down defense, but assists and points definitely Nash - check your facts. Wether you like it or not, Nash will be going to the Hall of Fame.
I'm not an angry Suns fan, although you would like to think that, I'm just calling out the real pretender on this board(Dingo) when it comes to knowing basketball.
Adios
The S0ns are a second-tier team. First-tier teams like the Spurs and Mavs play championship calibre basketball on both ends of the court. The S0ns don't even rank in the top 10 in defensive efficiency. How the can they be a top tier team when they don't even play adequate defense? Also, for all the undeserved hype the Steve Trash S0ns get they've never come close to sniffing a Finals appearance. They're looking more and more like the Don Nelson Mavs/'82 Nuggets. The S0ns really are nothing more than a tired gimmick with a window that's closing fast(Nash getting older, trading away their only decent post-defender and future picks).
More garbage from a deluded S0ns homer. Payton was a complete player and carried the Sonics to the Finals(something Nash has never done...even though Nash has much better teammates in Marion, Amare, Bell, Barbosa, etc). Every knowledgeable basketball fan would take a prime GP over Nash.
Only because he stole 2 MVPs. Otherwise, his career stats are unimpressive. When you take his whole career into account, Nash is really just an above average point guard. That's why he ranks so low here:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../hof_prob.html
3 good years of BBall should not get you into the Hall of Fame. Thanks to those undeserved MVPs he's going to get a free trip into a place he doesn't belong.
Nash=overrated and overhyped.
The only pretenders are the Phoenix S0ns. 3 years of hype and they still can't win a conference le. Pathetic IMO.
More garbage from a deluded S0ns homer. Payton was a complete player and carried the Sonics to the Finals(something Nash has never done...even though Nash has much better teammates in Marion, Amare, Bell, Barbosa, etc). Every knowledgeable basketball fan would take a prime GP over Nash.
OK - Let's call it a wash - Both players are/were excellent in what they contributed to their team. To say that Nash has much better teammates than Payton - You do remember Shawn Kemp, Detlef Schrempf, Sam Perkins. Both teams had numerous all-stars(any knowledgeable fan would know this). What gets me is Hall of Famers Like, Magic, Bill Russell, Larry Bird all have Nash as one of the top ten players of all time.
#2 you give Dallas way to much credit. Just because they beat your Spurs a year ago in the Western Semifinals. We knocked Dallas off in the Western Semis in 2005 and they beat us in 2006 (without Amare)
This leads us into MVP - Do you know what that stands for? In 2006 Nash carried the Suns to the Pacific divsion le and led them into the Western Conference Finals - with Amare out for the Season and Kurt Thomas out From January until the second round of the playoffs. Most Valuable Player because without him, they were screwed. , you guys complain and moan that you would of beat Dallas if Duncan did not have his Plantar Fasciatis. Try not having him all year.
No way can you compare Payton's supporting cast to Nash's. Nash has two other All stars(one of 'em All-NBA first team), a defensive first team player, and the 6th man. Payton led the Sonics past the Rockets and Jazz and into the Finals. Nash has played about a million playoff games and still hasn't led any of his teams to the Finals. Also, who the has Nash beaten with the S0ns? The Lakers and Clippers
Nash a top ten player of all-time?
Damn, and I thought he was already way overrated before you told me that. There's no way he's a top 10 player. He can't even crack the top 50 of this list:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ER_career.html
IIRC, Magic said the Nuggets were going to eliminate the Spurs this year. Amazing player but I'd hardly trust his opinion when it comes to analyzing BBall.
Dallas made it to the Finals after beating the Spurs in 7. They played great offensive and defensive basketball in '06. Steve Trash's S0ns have yet to challenge the Spurs or even make a Finals appearance. Maybe if D'Antoni and Nash tried to play some defense for a change but I don't see that ever happening. , Duncan thought the Nuggets were harder to beat than the S0ns this year. Kinda gives you an idea of how soft Phoenix is.
Gimme a break. Kobe and Lebron did a of a lot more for their teams in '06 than Nash. Nash still has an all-star in Marion playing next to him. Who does Lebron/Kobe have?
My mistake. They had East Houston shut down so the cops could have some "alone time" with a tranny hooker.
[QUOTE=Johnny RIngo]No way can you compare Payton's supporting cast to Nash's. Nash has two other All stars(one of 'em All-NBA first team), a defensive first team player, and the 6th man. Payton led the Sonics past the Rockets and Jazz and into the Finals. Nash has played about a million playoff games and still hasn't led any of his teams to the Finals. Also, who the has Nash beaten with the S0ns? The Lakers and Clippers
Ringo - I've grown tired of this as we could go back and forth for quite some time. Payton also had two all stars on that team, Kemp, Detlef and supporting cast of McMillan, Askew, Perkins. The sonics beat a rockets team that was on the decline after winning two championships with aging vetrans tagging along to win a championship, hardly a milestone. Our 6th man came about this year through hard work and effort. Look at his numbers/stats of the 05/06 season and you will see a dramatic difference.
The two oldest cliche's, the spurs are boring and the suns play no defense. I think the last few minutes of game 4 when Phoenix came back from seven down to win, they pretty much kept the spurs in check defensively. If we play no defense than you should have had 120 points a game. yet all the games were close except for game 2 and game 6. Parker had a great Game 1 yet never put up that many points again in any of the other games.
We can't play defense according to you, yet you like to use the fact that we have a defensive first team player gem for our supporting cast.
Beating an aging Rockets team and the Stockton/Malone Jazz is a of a lot more impressive than beating a ty one-man Lakers and the freaking Clippers.
Put Payton or any good point guard on the S0ns and they'll put up similar, if not better, numbers than Nash who benefits greatly from an offensive system that highlights his strengths. Not only can Payton score and assist like Nash but he'd also bring the necessary defense to shut down the opposing team's guards. Nash is a liability that usually guards the other team's worst offensive player and has Marion and Bell do all the dirty work for him.
The S0ns can't/don't play defense. According to this list (http://82games.com/nichols2.htm) the S0ns don't have a single excellent defender while 4 of the Spurs starting 5 are excellent defenders.
Also, the S0ns can't even crack the top 10 teams list in defensive efficiency. Why is this relevant? Almost every NBA champion was a top 10 defensive team when they won the le.
I know you enjoy making up, but seriously this is laughable. Payton is a career 31% three point shooter who has never averaged over 9 APG. It's pretty much blatantly obvious that Nash is a better playmaker and shooter.
And don't give me the "gimmicky system". I wouldn't necessarily consider a full court fast paced style of basketball to be gimmicky, espeically because it was the style of ball the NBA was founded upon and was the prevelant style for a long time. If anything the more defensive based teams like San Antoinio are a newer style.
That is a very poorly done list. In the previous listing Shawn Marion was one of the highest ranked defenders, and 82games also had a statistical analysis on why Matrix should've won DPOY.
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Now that OldDirtMcGrit said it, he is right. Ringo - Quit making this crap up and replace that old 25watt bulb in your brain to a 100watt. Payton is a career 31% shooter and he really worked hard at gettting those numbers because in college his shooting was sometimes suspect.
Nash happens to be a distributor first(hence all the assists) but can be a stone cold killer with his jumpshot when needed. And please get a clue about this so-called gimmicky system. I'd even say you can put Parker in this system and there is no way they even come close to putting up the same numbers. Reason - Parker drive and shoot first before handing out the assist.
End of Story!
Not so fast.And don't give me the "gimmicky system". I wouldn't necessarily consider a full court fast paced style of basketball to be gimmicky, espeically because it was the style of ball the NBA was founded upon and was the prevelant style for a long time.
NBA basketball didn't start with Red Auerbach's Boston Celtics. They showed the world what the value of the transition game was, but we already had one dynasty (The Mikan Lakers) before Bill Russell came into the league.
Furthermore, we have only had two decades, the 60's and the '80's, where most of the league was playing uptempo.
I don't think fast-break basketball is gimmicky, but it wasn't the foundation of the NBA game.
You couldn't keep up with the argument so you had to fall back on someone else's idiotic rants. Bravo, dim-bulb.
What the are you talking about? Payton's a career 46% shooter.
Keep deluding yourself into thinking Nash is better than Payton. Payton's career numbers are far superior to Nash. Add in his top-notch defense and his trip to the Finals and there's no way you can compare Steve Trash to him.
Nash benefits greatly from D'Antoni's up-tempo system. Replace Stevie boy with players like Deron Williams or Baron Davis and the S0ns become a MUCH better team.
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No, Iv'e grown tired of your dillusional idea's and someone else has also called you out on it. We will talk again some day when the season is in full swing and things get more interesting.
[QUOTE=CarefreeAZ]Haha. I'm the delusional one? You S0ns fans still think your team's a legit contender despite getting owned in the playoffs year after year. Who the have the S0ns beaten the past two years?
No, Iv'e grown tired of your dillusional idea's and someone else has also called you out on it. We will talk again some day when the season is in full swing and things get more interesting.
The Lakers? LOL
The Clippers? LMAO
Even the Jazz accomplished a whole lot more this year than Phoenix has the past three years. Beating the Rockets and Warriors is a of a lot more impressive than beating a one-man Lakers and the damn Clippers.
The S0ns are really just a 3rd-tier Western Conference team. The Phoenix media has tricked all of you into believing your team's something it's really not. In reality, the S0ns have never been anything more than 2nd round fodder for the real contenders of the Western Conference(Spurs, Mavs). The Jazz, Rockets, and Nuggets are more of a concern for the Spurs than Phoenix ever will be.
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