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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    I think that the Clintons even have a "machine" is one of the reasons voters are being turned off.
    As well as the "machine" known as Karl Rove and Cheney have turned voters against the current administration.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    As well as the "machine" known as Karl Rove and Cheney have turned voters against the current administration.

    This is why people like Yoni really lose me when they make comments like that about Clinton. As if The Clinton's are the first politicians in history to have a 'political machine'.

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    This is why people like Yoni really lose me when they make comments like that about Clinton. As if The Clinton's are the first politicians in history to have a 'political machine'.
    I concur. The Bush Machine concocted the biggest scam to get us into war in history.

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    We'll see. The Clinton machine isnt even in full effect yet.
    I understand that Clinton, Inc is just trying not to come
    in third in Iowa. If she does, Obama is the bright boy
    on the street. But I don't think he can beat anyone.

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    As well as the "machine" known as Karl Rove and Cheney have turned voters against the current administration.
    But Joe, the current administration isn't running.

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    I understand that Clinton, Inc is just trying not to come
    in third in Iowa. If she does, Obama is the bright boy
    on the street. But I don't think he can beat anyone.
    A recent poll shows Obama beating republicans while Hillary loses.

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    But Joe, the current administration isn't running.
    It doesn't mean their "machine" doesn't exist.

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    As I said, I think that the Clintons evening having a "machine" is what is turning off voters. I believe the public is sick and tired of "party" politics and "political" machinery.

    With the exception of Rudy Guiliani, I don't think any of the other candidates -- Democrat or Republican -- are perceived as being backed by some vast campaign machinery.

    We'll see. Unlike George Gervin's Afro, I've been wrong before.

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    Can you hear that? It's the Clinton campaign crumbling...

    Iowa Debate Reaction: Focus Group discusses Obama success

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    These guys are good.
    Corso's back!

    Corso!

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