No Defense For Upsetting Suns Help Wanted

[DazedAndConfused]

Give the Laker fans a happier Kobe and 70% FG from the center position and they won't stop posting on here. Wait until Kwame starts at C full-time and gets booed off the court.

Why would Kwame ever start at C full-time? The only reason he is starting is because both Bynum and Mihm are out. When Bynum comes back he starts.

After this season, Kwame will be cut. Lakers are bringing in Gasol's brother Marc from the Spanish leagues to serve as backup Center.

[Purple & Gold]

Ohhh Looooord look at these Suns fans thinking they own the Lakers.


14 > 0


Nothing else matters. And the funny thing is that the Suns can't even beat the T-Wolves. Great showing for a team that has "Championship" aspirations. When the Lakers get healthy they will pound the Suns like the little es they are. Bynum will just stomp all over the Suns midget frontcourt. This will actually be classic and Spurstalk will see a meltdown of Suns fans that will rival Mavs fans of last year.


I just can't wait.

[RonMexico]

Why would Kwame ever start at C full-time? The only reason he is starting is because both Bynum and Mihm are out. When Bynum comes back he starts.

After this season, Kwame will be cut. Lakers are bringing in Gasol's brother Marc from the Spanish leagues to serve as backup Center.

It's still funny that Kwame was declared the starter at the beginning of this year and his injury prompted Bynum's promotion to starter.

Don't forget that he's still pretty immature and Phil has had to bring him down a few notches.

[ClingingMars]

lol @ suns fans going at lakers fans.

lakers have a wayyyy better chance of winning a championship than the suns because of one reason.

-Mars

[Purple & Gold]

It's still funny that Kwame was declared the starter at the beginning of this year and his injury prompted Bynum's promotion to starter.

Don't forget that he's still pretty immature and Phil has had to bring him down a few notches.

at Ron over here thinking Bynum is some type of bum or average center. Face it he's gonna be the Next Great Laker Center. Get used to him stomping on your frontcourt as long as you keep the same team and style of play. You'd think that you'd realize by now that bigs win Championships in the NBA.

[RonMexico]

at Ron over here thinking Bynum is some type of bum or average center. Face it he's gonna be the Next Great Laker Center. Get used to him stomping on your frontcourt as long as you keep the same team and style of play. You'd think that you'd realize by now that bigs win Championships in the NBA.

He's on my fantasy team... so I know he's good and I'm not hating.

I just think it's hilarious that Kwame was the starter at the beginning of the season because it's pretty obvious that Kwame is terrible, so I don't know what Phil was thinking.

[Purple & Gold]

He's on my fantasy team... so I know he's good and I'm not hating.

I just think it's hilarious that Kwame was the starter at the beginning of the season because it's pretty obvious that Kwame is terrible, so I don't know what Phil was thinking.

Phil plays massive mind games. That's just his style. And what can you say it works. 9 Rings proves it. A way to fire him up and make him earn his playing time. He really doesn't care about regular season games, sometimes I wish he would care more. But what can you do, it works.

[RonMexico]

Phil plays massive mind games. That's just his style. And what can you say it works. 9 Rings proves it. A way to fire him up and make him earn his playing time. He really doesn't care about regular season games, sometimes I wish he would care more. But what can you do, it works.

He seemed fairly peeved about losing today... especially when they had comfortable leads on a team with 1 offensive weapon.

He's also fined Bynum continually for being late to games... I still think he has another year before he's fully matured, but there is no doubting his talent.

[Purple & Gold]

He seemed fairly peeved about losing today... especially when they had comfortable leads on a team with 1 offensive weapon.

He's also fined Bynum continually for being late to games... I still think he has another year before he's fully matured, but there is no doubting his talent.

Oh Ron, once again with the continually being late to games. I remember you questioning his work ethic last year. How'd that turn out?

Only game he was late their was a massive accident on the 405. Shut down traffic for hours including sidestreets. If you know L.A. you know how ugly traffic can get. No excuse, but it's what happened. So I don't know where you get this habitual iness.

I agree he's not fully matured, which is actually a scary thing for suns fans. He will be much better in the coming years. And props to you for noticing his talent. I wouldn't want you to miss the boat again like you did with Rudy Gay.

And trust me he doesn't care nearly enough about regular season games. Or else he wouldn't sit certain players and refuse to call timeouts. And when you're talking about a team with 1 offensive weapon, are you sure you're talking about the Cavs and not the Lakers??

[RonMexico]

Oh Ron, once again with the continually being late to games. I remember you questioning his work ethic last year. How'd that turn out?

Only game he was late their was a massive accident on the 405. Shut down traffic for hours including sidestreets. If you know L.A. you know how ugly traffic can get. No excuse, but it's what happened. So I don't know where you get this habitual iness.

I agree he's not fully matured, which is actually a scary thing for suns fans. He will be much better in the coming years. And props to you for noticing his talent. I wouldn't want you to miss the boat again like you did with Rudy Gay.

And trust me he doesn't care nearly enough about regular season games. Or else he wouldn't sit certain players and refuse to call timeouts. And when you're talking about a team with 1 offensive weapon, are you sure you're talking about the Cavs and not the Lakers??

Rudy Gay matured a lot more quickly than I anticipated. At least I was right about Tyrus Thomas and knew Aldridge would be better. I think Ivaroni relates to the young guys and that explains why him and Conley are playing very well. I don't think Rudy Gay and Jeff Van Gundy would have gotten along, so at the time, it was better for the Rockets.

Kwame Brown is a huge offensive weapon, so we know that's a lie.

Questioning his work ethic worked out very well for me last year since the Suns beat the Lakers in round 1.

[Purple & Gold]

Rudy Gay matured a lot more quickly than I anticipated. At least I was right about Tyrus Thomas and knew Aldridge would be better. I think Ivaroni relates to the young guys and that explains why him and Conley are playing very well. I don't think Rudy Gay and Jeff Van Gundy would have gotten along, so at the time, it was better for the Rockets.

Kwame Brown is a huge offensive weapon, so we know that's a lie.

Questioning his work ethic worked out very well for me last year since the Suns beat the Lakers in round 1.

Saying "matured a lot more quickly than I anticipated" is basically saying you knew he would be a boderline to All-Star type of player. So I figure you thought he wouldn't help T-Mac and Yao and that Battier is some kind of great player. 'Cause there's no way you trade away a possible All-Star/lottery pick for a slightly above average SF. Especially when T-Mac has a back made of glass and the main thing the Rockets needed was a third scorer. It sounds like a panic move to me. And if your coach can't work with young players, then you get rid of the coach. Something that happened anyways.


As for Bynum, I'm sure it had nothing to do with him only being 19 years old and playing very limited high school basketball. I'm sure it had to do with him having horrible work ethic.

[RonMexico]

Well, P&G, I don't see what is so difficult for you to understand here. I'll break it down with a few real-world examples:

Rudy Gay - Jim Calhoun said he was lazy and relied too much on his talent and other reports stated that he was a little selfish. Many of these factors were evident in his first season, but he has turned the corner and it's obvious he's put a lot more work into improving his game. Also, he's connecting with the fans very well by asking for dunk ideas, which is really cool. I knew he wouldn't work with JVG because offense is his first priority, where Battier plays great defense... I also didn't know how Gay could improve his offensive game with T-Mac taking 100 shots per game.

Kwame Brown - #1 overall pick out of high school... since 2001, he's never had 2 games that compare to what Bynum has done this season so far. You could blame earlier struggles on his youth; you can only blame his boo-inciting plays now on immaturity, laziness, and propensity to throw birthday cakes.

Tyrus Thomas - applauded all NCAA tournament season for his "upside," "athleticism," "potential," "explosiveness" etc... much like Rudy Gay. However, at least I was right about him when I said Portland got the better end of the deal because (a) he was born in Baton Rouge and went to LSU - a university that has produced typically talented, but unmotivated players - mostly in football; (b) he's too full of himself and (c) is more interested in "picking up his paycheck" than improving his game.

Bynum - obviously very talented; Phil (your personal Jesus) saw this talent, but also noted some immaturity, which is why Kareem was brought in to mentor him both on and off the basketball court and probably why Bynum has been fined and benched for certain games because Phil wants to teach him a lesson. I won't accept the age card from you because both LeBron and Amare came into the league straight from high school (actually, Amare came from 7 different high schools) and made immediate impacts.

I still think Amare is immature on and off the court and needs some discipline out there because he brings the ball too low when it gets into the post and gets it stripped... that's something you never see Tim Duncan do (when he catches it high, it stays high) and Bynum rarely does it now too. It's nice when you can have a former hall-of-famer and all-time scoring leader agree to mentor your potential franchise center... if only the coin flip had gone to Phoenix instead of Milwaukee back in the 60s.

[RonMexico]

Normally, I don't agree with Charley Rosen, but I think his "questions" for the Suns and Lakers are pretty spot-on and I think you'd agree:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7709580

[JMarkJohns]

I'm concerned about a great number of teams. Namely the Spurs, but the Lakers, Hornets and Mavericks are up there. I think the Suns have what it takes as far as players to beat the latter three, and compete with the Spurs, but if Skinner isn't netting 25 minutes or so a night vs these teams, then I'm not nearly as confident.

I would like to acquire an additional big man, but there just aren't many available.

Kirilenko is not going to get the Suns over the hump by himself, so unless the Jazz are willing to take a Marion/Banks/Atl 1st package for Kirlenko/Okur/Jazz 1st then I'm going to pass.

Frankly, I'm not even sure that helps the Suns at all

[da_suns_fan]

I'm concerned about a great number of teams. Namely the Spurs, but the Lakers, Hornets and Mavericks are up there. I think the Suns have what it takes as far as players to beat the latter three, and compete with the Spurs, but if Skinner isn't netting 25 minutes or so a night vs these teams, then I'm not nearly as confident.

I would like to acquire an additional big man, but there just aren't many available.

Kirilenko is not going to get the Suns over the hump by himself, so unless the Jazz are willing to take a Marion/Banks/Atl 1st package for Kirlenko/Okur/Jazz 1st then I'm going to pass.

Frankly, I'm not even sure that helps the Suns at all

Im holding out hope that KT will be cut by the Sonics after the trading deadline.

A guy can dream, right?

Did you hear the rumor about Steven Hunter? I laughed at that one cuz he would never even play.

[RonMexico]

I'd take Steven Hunter and his 60% FTs back. I'd take Jake Voshkul and his 12 moving screens per game back.

[Xylus]

Personally, I think Steven Hunter could do more for us than Marcus Banks could. He's not the answer we need, but he's a slight improvement.

[da_suns_fan]

I'd take Steven Hunter and his 60% FTs back. I'd take Jake Voshkul and his 12 moving screens per game back.

Steven Hunter couldn't hit 60% of his free throws in an empty arena with an extra large hoop.

[da_suns_fan]

I met Jake when I was in college working downtown at a hotel. He was a really nice guy.

[DubMcDub]

Bring 'em on. The only team I really worry about is the San Antonio Spurs.

If you're not worried about the Mavs then you better wake up.

[AggieJV2006]

If you're not worried about the Mavs then you better wake up.

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[DazedAndConfused]

Now Bynum is too immature? He's only 19 years old and has more maturity than most players in the NBA. He doesn't smoke, drink, or do drugs. He's going back to school to get his college degree. Look at how he handled the entire Kobe situation. They are now the best of buds and instead of lashing out at Kobe he took it upon himself as a challenge to improve his game.

My god how stupid are Suns' fans??? I swear to god I have never seen a collection of fans so ignorant about basketball in my life.

[DubMcDub]

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Good stuff.

[DazedAndConfused]

I think the Mavs are the top team in the WC right now. They are picking up steam right now and seem to be relatively injury free, minus Harris. I can easily see them winning the WC if SAS doesn't get their together.

[DazedAndConfused]

For anyone doubting Andrew Bynum, please watch this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9efsJwJxYEk

This kid is the future of the Lakers. All-Star center next year, HOF potential without question. He and Kobe make LA automatic contenders next year. Nobody in the WC will be able to stop him when he develops his base and adds 20-30 lbs of muscle. He needs to develop a good post game like Duncan, but that will no doubt come in time with Kareem's tutelage.