Actually, the Laker trainers knew there was something wrong with Kobe's knee. The fact he was going to have surgery wasn't a shock, just the timing he did it, without consulting them first.
Very common in sports for athletes to get outside opinions because they know that the organization is always about their best interests before the player.
I understood that the Lakers doctors thought he didn't need surgery but enouraged him to get a second opinion. He then got the opinion and got surgery. The Lakers said it was unusual for a player not to tell them they were having surgery and not to use their doctors.
I guess it's just withholding information rather than lying. Kind of like when Sprewell neglected to tell the Knicks he broke his arm.
See, the problem here is that your falling for all the media reports, whether they are true or not, and using them to help prove a lost cause. Kobe didn't lie to the team about having surgery and he didn't lie about knowing the victim, he lied about the affair to try and protect his marriage. If you wanna chastise him for having an affair that's one thing, but it doesn't make him a rapist.He lied to his team about surgery, and lied about interacting with the alleged victim.
I don't see why your getting so worked up about this, nobody is claiming that Kobe is a saint. All I said was that if you believe that people live the lives put out by their publisist, or their fronts, your gonna be let down a lot in your life, so get used to it.Why is it okay to run the alleged victim down but Kobe's a ing saint when he's already lied to us all on this matter more than once? Rather hypocritical if you ask me.
Wrong. Kobe wasn't charged with rape until two weeks after, so he had no reason to defend himself against those accusations. Initially, he lied about the adultry charge, but then recanted when the state investigated the affair based on the young ladies accusations. If anything, the two week hiatus between the incident and charges being filed, didn't happen because prosecutors wanted to dot the I's and cross the t's as some people in this forum have claimed, but because the DA thought that the state had a very weak case - which it does.He wasn't confronted with an adultery charge, he was confronted with a rape charge.
See, that is exactly was I am talking about, your falling for the front that they are putting out to save their image in the media. Your not in the Bryants bedroom. How do you know what's going on between Kobe and Vannessa?I'm gonna go out on a limb and put together his pathetic sobbing "I'm sorry I cheated on you" press conference and that 4 million dollar diamond ring and say you're wrong on that one.
Give me a ing break. You're saying we are wrong for laying judgement on Kobe but then turning around and saying it's perfectly fine, almost insisting that we all lay judgement on the victim's creditability because of some things that happened in her past.
Quit being such a ing hypocrite.
Dude, nobodies being a hypocrite, all I'm saying is stop the hate because when this case is settled for a misdemenor assault and battery charge, or something silly like that, and the victim gets a very big payday, it's gonna make you Kobe haters look very foolish.
But don't worry, we won't be holding our breath for a apology. :moon
Accuser alleged she tried to leave Bryant's hotel room
EAGLE, Colo. -- As Kobe Bryant was just hours away from a court hearing in Eagle, Colo., more reports came to surface Wednesday regarding the sexual assault case involving the Los Angeles Lakers star.
According to several sources familiar with the case, ABC News reported Wednesday that the accuser alleged that she tried to leave Bryant's hotel room and he blocked the door.
Bryant is charged with felony sexual assault against the 19-year-old woman who worked at the exclusive resort hotel Lodge & Spa at Cordillera when Bryant stayed there June 30. Bryant, who is free on $25,000 bond, has said the sex was consensual.
ABC News was also told that examiners found evidence that the alleged victim had "vaginal tearing." Prosecutors could argue this is not consistent with consensual sex. Experts say the defense could rebut this in several ways, including that vaginal tearing could be sustained during consensual sex, or was not incurred during sex with Bryant.
Sources also say the sheriff's original arrest warrant included a misdemeanor claim of false imprisonment. The prosecutor did not ultimately include a false imprisonment claim in the charging do ent.
One reason may be that prosecutors do not like to give the jury the option of finding guilt on a lesser offense as a way of compromising. That does not mean they cannot include the allegation at trial.
Bryant is scheduled to attend a preliminary hearing today at the Eagle County Justice Center at approximately 6 p.m. ET. Bryant will be read the charges against him but will not be asked to make a plea. Eagle County Judge Frederick Gannett will advise Bryant of his rights, the charge and the possible penalty. If convicted, he faces four years to life in prison or 20 years to life on probation, and a fine of up to $750,000.
The session, which begins at 6 p.m. ET, is expected to be brief, but the stark pictures and video of the 24-year-old NBA superstar in court will leave an enduring image.
Bryant hoped to avoid his initial appearance, but Gannett ruled otherwise. Bryant's attorneys also lost their battle to keep cameras out of the courtroom.
Now, Bryant begins the formal part of what could be a long legal fight of a felony charge that has damaged his reputation and could put him in prison.
Greg Crittenden, an attorney in the district attorney's office, told the judge last week that the case required special treatment.
"We're dealing with a celebrity that's recognized worldwide and for that reason we have to look at this not as any other case,'' Crittenden said.
A trial appears inevitable, unless Bryant's attorneys can persuade the judge to throw the case out for lack of evidence at his preliminary hearing. Even if they are successful, the evidence made public at the hearing will probably further stain the once clean-cut image of one of America's most celebrated athletes.
"Once the accusation is brought to the police it's almost impossible to settle it,'' said Florida attorney Roy Black, who won an acquittal for William Kennedy Smith in a 1991 rape trial. "If he pleads guilty he loses endorsements and his popularity as a player.''
With a smile as dazzling as his play, Bryant was a superstar who made all the right moves and said all the right things.
Now, he is an admitted adulterer, at the very least, and he has already lost one endorsement.
Bryant's wife, Vanessa, sat by his side at an extraordinary news conference where he said the sex with his accuser was consensual.
The woman will never be the same, either. She is well known in Eagle, and her friends at first were more than eager to discuss the woman's virtues and what they thought were her faults.
Bryant is to begin preseason practice late next month with the Lakers in Hawaii. The judge has put no restrictions on his travel.
The Associated Press contributed to this report. sports.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=1591387
Unlike you citing media reports of random joe schmoes at college saying she was a , or the reports of suicide, etc by her to justify that she's somehow lacking creditability...See, the problem here is that your falling for all the media reports, whether they are true or not, and using them to help prove a lost cause.
Pot...kettle..black.
Thanks for proving my point. People like you are saying "oh Kobe would never do that, he's a class guy." Where does that image come from....... his publicists.I don't see why your getting so worked up about this, nobody is claiming that Kobe is a saint. All I said was that if you believe that people live the lives put out by their publisist, or their fronts, your gonna be let down a lot in your life, so get used to it.
How do you know the state has a weak case. Did you read it in the paper. Don't believe everything you read.Wrong. Kobe wasn't charged with rape until two weeks after, so he had no reason to defend himself against those accusations. Initially, he lied about the adultry charge, but then recanted when the state investigated the affair based on the young ladies accusations. If anything, the two week hiatus between the incident and charges being filed, didn't happen because prosecutors wanted to dot the I's and cross the t's as some people in this forum have claimed, but because the DA thought that the state had a very weak case - which it does.
Geez, on the one hand you lecture us all that we need to wait and see the facts, on the other hand you're already dismissing the DA's case as weak. H Y P O C R I T E.
What front exactly are you talking about? That's my own conclusion, I could GAF what CNN says.See, that is exactly was I am talking about, your falling for the front that they are putting out to save their image in the media. Your not in the Bryants bedroom. How do you know what's going on between Kobe and Vannessa?
You are very much being the hypocrite here in this thread. You haveDude, nobodies being a hypocrite, all I'm saying is stop the hate because when this case is settled for a misdemenor assault and battery charge, or something silly like that, and the victim gets a very big payday, it's gonna make you Kobe haters look very foolish.
1) said the victim lacked credability
2) said the DA's case was weak
3) said we should not believe everything we read in the papers
while at the same time using those same media reports and the like to justify that the victim lacks credability, the case is weak, and that "we're only seeing what his publicist wants us to see."
So which is it? If you can't trust anything being put out in the media, why can your dumb ass use it to justify your arguments and run down ours? That's hypocritical.
That's right, you're in the wrong on this one. Get a clue.But don't worry, we won't be holding our breath for a apology.
AHF
: Let's just say for a minute that this does go to trial and he is convicted what will happen at the sentencing? Do you think he gets probation or jail time or both?
John Pineau: (5:17 PM ET ) If he were to get jail time, it's a mandatory life sentence. That's because of the recent changes in Colorado law. If he gets probation, he could still end up with a mandatory life sentence in the Department of Corrections, prison. For example, is he gets probation, it will be for an incredibly long term, typically 10-20 years. The success rate of sex offenders on probation in Colorado, the number that successfully complete probation, is nearly zero. It's not due to new criminal acts, it's because the offense specific treatment is strikingly severe and difficult to complete and added to that is the fear of the treatment providers to release anyone from probation because of their concern that they might be held responsible is the offender reoffends. The result is the offenders stay on probation forever or are revoked, sent back to the court where the court is place in a position of sentencing the offender to the mandatory life sentence that is required under Colorado law for sex offenders. proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=3838
looks like oct 9 is the next big court date
a couple of weeks before basketball season starts
The Lakers have preseason games in Hawaii on Oct 7 and 8.
I don't know where this got that from, but it's not true... it's minimum 4 years to life, not mandatory life.If he were to get jail time, it's a mandatory life sentence.
came from a ESPN Chat With John Pineau
who went to school with the da
Pineau, born in Detroit, graduated from the University of Michigan before starting his own firm in Denver. He has extensive experience in sexual assault cases as well as sports and entertainment law. He is currently representing Dr. Wade Exum in his appeal against his former employer, the USOC, which Exum claims routinely covered up positive drug tests, and Richard Provencher, who was injured on a malfunctioning escalator at Coors Field in July.
pretty good read
LINK TO CHAT WRAP
Well the DA said 4-years to Life, so I'd be more apt to believe him than the chatter.
It's not just the DA, the charges dictate 4 years to life, the DA doesn't get to change that
That's because of the recent changes in Colorado law that is wha the is saying. I know the da can not change the law just for kobe. I am just posting what he said in his chat wrap. He also went to school with the da. so I think he knows some stuff. he could be wrong though on this one issue though.
Does Kobe really have a "VIA bus" sized tool in his pant ?Quote:
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What exactly is "vaginal trauma"?
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I assume a real world analogy would be like trying to park a VIA bus in your garage...
If he does, then he doesn't have to worry should he lost some advertisement money regarding to this debacle, the Hollywood porn industry would be more than glad to add an NBA talent -athlete- into their line up !
Lexington Steele, Sean Michaels & Kobe Bryant, the "12 inches" triangle stars ! :wacko
I know the DA doesn't determine it; I was just saying that the DA said it (in the press conference) informing us what the charges dictate.It's not just the DA, the charges dictate 4 years to life, the DA doesn't get to change that
If you go to the link you will see that the writer didn't literally mean that Kobe would spend life in prison.
What he means is that the required programs for sex offender probationers in Colorado are so onerous, and nearly impossible to complete successfully, that most probationers stay on probation indefinitely or end up having their probation revoked and are sent to prison. Thus, probabtion can end up being a lifetime ordeal.
Read the entire link. It answers numerous legal questions pertaining to this case.
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