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No sir, it will be called Freexico.
We'll speak Spanish primarily and trade in Euros. It'll be great.
You think so? Perhaps if Hillary wins the nomination then there won't be the unification of conservative votes against her? Are conservatives that disenfranchised with McCain?
No sir, it will be called Freexico.
We'll speak Spanish primarily and trade in Euros. It'll be great.
, stay in the U.S. another few years and it'll be there with you.
I wanted to call it 101Aland, but Freexico is fine.
I dont believe so. I have no facts to back that up, but I believe this McCain vs GOP garbage is more media driven than anything else.
I cant remember if this analogy was made here at ST or I heard it on the radio/internet/television, but it went something like this (forgive me if I get it wrong)....
The GOP has three competing ideologies currently represented by the three Presidential hopefuls.
Romney is represented by the NeoCons.
Huckabee by the Religious Right
McCain by the Moderates
(or something to that extent, writing it down makes me think I am wrong, but the basic tenent is there....the GOP is fractured ever-so-slightly right now by 3 competing ideas)
Seeing as Romney got ass-raped in the primaries, I think its safe to say Neoconservatism is going to be in hibernation for the next 4 years (maybe more).
Huckabee only showing up below the Bible Belt tells me everything I need to know about the importance of religion below the Mason-Dixon. Its Numero Uno there, not so much everywhere else.
McCain is dominating everywhere else. Far west, mid west, east, northeast, mountains, from sea to shining sea. He has a broader appeal than any of his compe ion, I guess.
Ultimately, I dont see McCain dividing the GOP. To me, the loud, stark minority in the GOP (the neocons and Bible thumpers) might leave/split, but lets be realisitic for a moment....without the broad support of the GOP, the neocons and the ultra-religious have no chance in an open election. None.
So, even if they wanted to split, they wont. They may be self-righteous, but they are not intentionally self-destructive.
The GOP will carry all three flags for the duration, IMO.
It's not the bible thumpers that dislike McCain; he is a pro-life guy, and has been; that is their big litmus test.
Primary gripes of people who don't like McCain are McCain/Feingold, and immigration.
I personally don't have a huge problem with the campaign reform. It was screwed up before, and it's still screwed up. The govt. did it; it is expected. I, frankly, pretty much agree with McCain on immigration. The issue is blown way out of proportion by all kinds of people; , up here in Pennsylvania, where there are VERY few migrant workers, people about them all the time.
Don't want to call people racist, but....
Good points.
The way to understand the talk radio + evangelist loathing of McCain is that he's never really kissed their ring. Don't get me wrong, I do understand the angst about McCain-Feingold and McCain-Kennedy as well as the tax cuts. Of course, the tax cuts weren't exactly accompanied by spending cuts (since when did it become 'conservative' to increase spending).
Anyways, the media needs drama. Once the general election hits I think whatever portion of the base that don't like McCain will find religion and vote for him. Plus the notion that not all on the right are pleased with McCain can only help him woo moderates and independents.
If you look at the absolute numbers being turned out for the primaries, the Dems are voting in much greater numbers than the Repugs.
Part of that is that there is an unsettled, close race on the Dem side vs fait accompli on the Repug side, but I bet InSane's war-mongering is seen as a continuation of dubya's bull murderous warmongering, and will bring out Dem votes, at least as anit-InSane as its pro-Dem, in much higher volumes than Repugs, who have the at-best recalcitrant neo- , movement conservative, and Bible-thumpers to be energized into voting.
It's the Dems' election to lose. They've done it before.
I agree with most of this; but I don't think it's just the war. Dems hate Bush with the red hot burning passion of a million Suns - can't believe somebody who can't speak straight and EMBARASSES them has represented the country for 8 years.
As, I think HC said, the Conservatives continue to hate on Bush it COULD serve to swing moderates his way; the Conservatives have NOWHERE else to go (much as libs HAD to vote for Clinton despite Wefare reform and NAFTA) to avoid Dole.
Its not just democrats that hate Bush, its the vast majority of this country. Eh, well we reap what we sow.
Yes we are. McCain is not a conservative in several of the most important matters.
There is talk on talk radio like in the 2006 elections hat we need to let the democrats win. The thought is that we need them to this nation up again before the conservative movement will be a force again.
Not in my eyes.
Romney is a conservative, not a neoconservative. their are chief differences. I would call McCain the neocon, but I dislike the fact there really isn't a solid definition applied to the label. It has become more of a slanderous word since people think of neo-nazi when they hear it. Either way, he supports liberal ideals far to much for me to accept him.
Keep in mind the original definition of neoconservative is a liberal democrat who saw the light, and switched parties. This is why in my eyes, McCain best fits he definition. Although he isn't a convert, he is more like the democrats of the 60's, when they were liberal, but still patriots. Before they were bought by the likes of Moive-On.
I agree. I'm not sure, but it appears only half as many republicans voted than democrats. So many seem not to have solidly liked any of the republican nominees. In my view, this kept Romney from having the lead I believe he should. It appears the GOP has awakened, but too late. Huckabee is seen more seriously, but McCain has such a lead. I wonder if anyone has published a red state/blue state review for how the votes went. It seems to me the numbers of each left will tell if Huckabee has a chance still.
I dislike some things about Huckabee, but I will take him over McCain in a heartbeat. A liberal republican president bothers me.
I think Romney needed to hold out longer. Maybe people though that McCain didn't have a chance, and stayed home. Maybe more conservatives would have voted in the elections after super Tuesday, giving Romney a comeback.
I think since he is the more conservative of the two, he still has a chance. A slim chance, but possible.
Illegal immigration is a big deal with me. Maybe you don't see the problems like I see in Oregon.
Legal migrant workers are not the issue. It's the illegal ones who stay, work under the table, and undercut the going rates of good jobs like construction. You also see them everywhere working jobs that high school students would otherwise be getting work habit skills with.
It has nothing to do with race. There are illegal workers from nations who are white as well. It is the fact the work illegally and undercut proper wages.
The religious vote sometimes makes a difference, but only in close races. Don't give them too much credit. Spending is really where the republicans screwed up. Since 1994, they promised to get spending under control, and they almost did. Somehow, they forgot people were watching and got power hungry. Hopefully in 2006 they learned, and will not do such a thing when in power again.
I don't know. I will surely vote for him over Hillary. However, i don't think Obama can damage this nation anymore than McCain. McCain's idea of working across the isle is working far too much with them. I would much prefer the blame to fall on a democrat controlled presidency than republican.
Exactly a Limbaugh talking point.
Just remember, SC appointments are for LIFE.
A national healthcare plan, once created, can never be uncreated.
The Bush tax cuts (which McCain has promised to make permanent) will be gone immediately after Obama takes office - and he want to COMPLETELY remove the SS wage cap.
Go ahead, get all self-righteous, take your ball and go home.
Shame on you.
Conservatives hate Bush thanks to the Medicare drug benefit, pushing amnesty for illegals, abandoning en lement reform when things got a little rough, an overall aversion to spending cuts, and, yes, not having any sort of plan for Iraq post-invasion. Plus dumb like the Harriet Myers nomination and withdrawal.
So what. I never heard him say any such think because I haven't heard him for at least a year I think.
Yes, but do you really believe McCain in what he says?
It will never get past a republican fillibuster.
The tax cuts are gone anyway unless we get a republican controlled congress. Congress has to reauthorize it.
I am on the ball. Why don't you wake up and smell the reality of what we have.
Looking in a mirror by chance?
I might vote for McCain. I just don't know yet. It's a hard thing for me to compremise my values and vote for him.
No doubt the Dem solution to fiscal shortfalls will be to raise taxes. Of course, those taxes will not be raised on their uneducated working class base.
Youre an intelligent person, like you give a bucket of piss what I think of you...
But, that bolded sentence to me, is as unintelligent as it gets.
It reaks of partisanship > country. It says to me you are more concerned with the success of the GOP than the USA.
And I cant respect that.
Romney was a pro choice governor of Massachusettes and now you believe him to be a true-blue Reaganite!
[quote=Wild CobraIt will never get past a republican fillibuster.[/quote]Wishfull thinking; and if Conservatives stay home, who says the Dems won't have nearly 60?
So you don't care about them; why don't you get behind the candidate MOST likely to make them permanent, possibly build some coattails, and get some seats back!
A "True Conservative" considering voting for Barack Obama is "On the Ball"?
Oh, and............................IRAQ!!!!
No difference there, I guess.
Yes, we often disagree but I you also at least have viewpoints that are your own.
It has nothing to do with partisanship. I really dislike what the republicans have become. I only hope they will become more conservative one day.
It's my dislike for the democrats and what they will do. The republicans already got the message loud and clear that they lost conservative support in 2006. They won't admit it, but the message is clear. I believe the only way this nation will not have a disastrous outcome in the future is to weed out the liberals among the republican party, or find some way to get a viable conservative party. Between the Me-Me-Me at ude of voters, and liberals who promise everything... we are doomed, without becoming more conservative again, and McCain is not conservative enough.
I said this before. Like any correction, and the stock market is a good example. Wee need to hit bottom before it improves again.
You may call it unintelligent, but I see it as a sad truth.
No, but when they raise mine, at least one of theirs will lose their job (and I mean that quite literally).
There is NO WAY a TRUE CONSERVATIVE is getting elected this cycle; the masses believe GW to be Conservative - anything resembling him is DOOMED. Conservatives sent Bush, and he betrayed us; the Republican Congress betrayed us; , look at the growth of government under Reagan vs. GNP - that didn't work either.
If the Democrats get both houses, and the WH - with a TRUE BELIEVING liberal, who can sway the masses with his charms and speach like Barack; the damage could be irreversible. Social Security/LBJ's war on Poverty with Medicair and Medicaid - once they start, they cannot be stopped.
Again, not to mention, the WAR IN IRAQ!!!!
Barack O ing Bama as Commander in Chief. Please WC, for that ALONE you've got to be behind McCain. Or do you believe that we shouldn't be over there? That that hasn't helped keep them from hitting us again?
If you are who you say you are, you believe those things. Therefore, you believe that a President that disengages will cause what? More attacks here, right? You willing to sacrifice American lives to bring us to "Rock Bottom"?
Yeah but all the GOP is offering is progression to those same goals, albeit at a slightly slower pace. I would argue that the GOP has doomed itself because its been far too concerned with maintaining power and not with actually achieving its aims. The American people by and large want to be left the alone and don't want the government to cause them trouble. The GOP has enjoyed a natural advantage in the electorate because of that. Now that advantage has been pissed away as we have had an administration that basically has advance the notion of an imperial presidency and has grown the state to an absurd level. Tax cuts aren't enough. Fortunately enough voters are smart enough to figure out that if you borrow it today then there are taxes to pay tomorrow, as well as that you are likely to have greater inflation and higher interest rates long term.
I guess the basic problem is that it's rather difficult for a party committed to limited government to govern.
Wow, do people actually think that the war in Iraq has stopped "them from hitting us again"?
I'm glad Cali has so little of them. Or at least they stay quiet.
I would think many people would not be too infatuated with experience after the destruction that Cheney and Rumsfeld have caused. Obama, knowing that he is inexperienced, might display some caution, which is something that sounds conservative to me.
Obama and Clinton talk about a lot of things that will cost a lot of money, but most know that they are unlikely to happen. The Democrats have never displayed the lemming-like follow-the-leader-no-matter-what quality that the GOP has done the past 8 years.
"not with actually achieving its aims"
WTF? I think the Repugs have accomplished a tremendous amount of their aims, ALL negative. And they are doing their swan-song best to commit the USA and the next Administration to the same , no which party gets the WH.
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