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Pathetic Suns fans must really not want this to go down. This is much ado about nothing.
*sigh*... and again and again and again..
Pathetic Mavs fans just can't handle the truth.
Pathetic Suns fans must really not want this to go down. This is much ado about nothing.
It's cir vention because the League doesn't want players thrown in to trades just to make the money work, and then have said players be waived by the acquiring team and return to the trading team. They have the rule that salaries must match for compe ive balance reasons. If the League wanted to allow Stackhouse to be traded but then return to the trading team after the trade goes through, then they'd simply get rid of the rule that salaries must match within whatever percentage (15%?). That would take care of it.
It's cir venting because they are getting around the rule. In effect, the Mavericks would be acquiring Kidd and his 20 million for Harris, Diop, Ager and whomever else fills the void created by George. That package proably would only total 10-to-12 million, making it not nearly enough to acquire Kidd.
You're correct, the acquiring team certainly has the right to waive an newly acquired player, but the League has the right to make sure it's not part of an agreed upon set up with the other team/player. That's collusion and it's a black eye on the League.
THANK YOU. Someone ing has some brains here.
You really are a Mo ..
Everyone outside of Dallas wants this trade to happen because it s the Mavs. Only delusional Mavs fans are defending house's stoopidity.
I didn't like this deal, but obviously Mavs haters feel the same way, for different reasons.
Pathetic Suns fans are scared less obviously, otherwise they wouldn't be trying to find any way possible to find a scenario for this trade to fail, ever since the trade rumors started.
Yes even Suns fans on ESPN boards are so happy lol...probably the same ass clowns that are on here. Well Stern is ing over the Mavs yet again. Doesn't matter though....forget the Kidd trade unless they take Hassell and KVH's contract.
I would trade for Artest or Miller if possible now.....and just see what happens come playoff time
Read my posting history, I've been vehemently AGAINST the trade. I'm defending the idea that Stackhouse's intentions to return to Dallas are fine by league rules, until Fuerher Stern decides otherwise.
I've said it before, but I hope the Mavs acquire Kidd for Harris, Diop and Stackhouse. I think if Dallas loses all three and and only net Kidd, that the Mavs are considerably weakened against the Suns because Harris kills Nash off the dribble and is pesky on defense, Stackhouse kills Barbosa in the post whenever the Suns bring Leandro in, and Diop is one of the few big men athletic enough to be a thorn in Amare's side for extended periods of time.
I hope the trade does go through, only I hope it goes through cleanly without the return of Stackhouse. Not just for the reason above, but because I really think it makes the League look bad. It would be a willful cir venting of the trade rules and appears to be collusion.
Stack has a right to choose afterwards. He has 30 days actually. No matter what the Nets and Mavs decide, Stack can do anything. Even if he promises something to the Mavs it doesn't matter. Boozer did the same thing, he promised the Cavs he would resign and then left. There isn't a type of agreement that can affect Stack's free will and therefore no possible way to prove that it's tampering.
The only thing that the Mavs and Nets can agree on, is for the Nets to wave a player. That happens all the time after deals, so while the NBA wants matching salaries, they can't force teams not to wave players they are not interested in.
Going beyond the CBA, would be another team picking up a player's salary, offering a hidden contract to a player and stuff like that.
If this is the case, good call fyatuk on the other thread...
You are a in re ...the Mavs were ONLY gonna trade if Stack was coming back...now kindly go yourself
If the trade did go down, losing Stackhouse isn't that big of a deal if they still intended to do that separate deal to acquire Antoine Wright for a second round pick as well. They'd still have Eddie Jones to start, Jason Terry could play in the backcourt with Kidd, and Trenton Hassell would still be a situational defensive guy. Antoine Wright is capable of giving quality minutes. Sure, Stack has had good performances against the Spurs, but he's also the type of guy that can shoot a team out of a game because he's a volume scorer even when his shot is off. The team would still depend on Dirk and Kidd and Josh Howard and Terry in big games. To me, Stack was a luxury, not a necessity.
He wasn't too smart talking. But, I agree with whoever said it wasn't against league rules for Stack to do what he was talking about. Stern is being an ass at this point.
Thank you! Right on everything. Stack is a luxury, but a nice one to have if you can afford it.
Mavs are NOT gonna make this trade now...forget it. Kidd is not worth all those players
My guess is JMarkJohns has a higher IQ in his brain than you have in your finger.You are a in re ...the Mavs were ONLY gonna trade if Stack was coming back...now kindly go yourself
God help me...
courtesy of phyzik:
CBA Art. XIII Sec. 2... a) At no time shall there be any agreements or transactions of any kind (whether disclosed or undisclosed to the NBA), express or implied, oral or written, or promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent, or understandings of any kind (whether disclosed or undisclosed to the NBA), between a player (or any person or en y controlled by, related to, or acting with authority on behalf of, such player) and any Team (or Team Affiliate)...
Sorry, but this spells it out perfectly. I don't see how it can be argued that Stackhouse, by commenting that he'd be back, didn't offer assurances of intent to return to a team that only included him in the deal to cir vent the League's trade rules.
Everything about his statements seems to violate this. Whether it's his right to choose a team in 30 days, his comments suggest a decision has already been made thanks to, and you can take your pick, agreements (expressed, or implied), promises, commitments, assurances of intent, or understanding (disclosed or undisclosed) between he, the player, and them, the team.
Wanna bet...what do you and him do for a living...what degrees do you have. Bet mine is higher than yoursMy guess is JMarkJohns has a higher IQ in his brain than you have in your finger.
This is all well and good, but...
Someone show me evidence that Stackhouse was directly involved in the trade negotiations.
Was he? Did he have direct communication with Mark Cuban, Donnie Nelson, & Rod Thorn WHILE THE TRADE WAS BEING NEGOTIATED? Did he talk directly to both the Dallas Mavericks front office AND the New Jersey Nets front office about this? AS THE TRADE WAS BEING NEGOTIATED did Jerry Stackhouse talk directly with Rod Thorn about this?
Yes or no?
Yes, and Stackhouse has FAR more power & influence within the Mavericks organization than any sixth man should. It's the equivalent of the Suns including Leandro Barbosa in the conference call with Miami during the Shaq trade talks. What's the ing point?
No, and it's just some asshole basketball player running his mouth. Nothing more.
If the NBA blocks this it will severly change my view of the league. If they dont like the rule, change the ing rule. There is no reason Stack should be punished for playing by the rules.
You tell him!!!!Wanna bet...what do you and him do for a living...what degrees do you have. Bet mine is higher than yours
Bet he can't top your diploma from Mountain Ridge!!!
Take that!
does anyone else see whats wrong with this?My guess is JMarkJohns has a higher IQ in his brain than you have in your finger.
The league is ing over the Mavs yet again...nothing new...the league just doing what they do
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