Really...Ginobili is a Liability

[Septic]

He basically said that Manu is a scorer and a turnover machine, which he basically is. If he isn't scoring he isn't doing much on defense so at that moment he is a liability and Pop should make an in game subs. to give him a little rest.

Game1 and 2 everyone here had that going through their minds, we don't win if he isn't playing good. So wouldn't he be a liability if he isn't contributing on the court?

[Emanuel20]

He basically said that Manu is a scorer and a turnover machine, which he basically is. If he isn't scoring he isn't doing much on defense so at that moment he is a liability and Pop should make an in game subs. to give him a little rest.

Game1 and 2 everyone here had that going through their minds, we don't win if he isn't playing good. So wouldn't he be a liability if he isn't contributing on the court?

If you base your opinion on the first two games of the series: Yes to your post.
But Ginobili had two bad games, so be it!
For his usual play, he will try to rack up assists and grab rebounds, steals when he is shooting bad which was not evident in the first two games in the series. But I have always said that he understands the game and helps us with all around game (assist, rebound, block), even though he is having a rough time now, he will be fine.

[Beast]

Ginobili is basically a scorer and a turnover machine. If he's not producing offensively, that just leaves turnover machine. What the is he good for? This is like Boston's Big Three turning into the Big Two Plus Ray Allen. Same here. The Big Two Plus Ginobili.

Seriously, I am more inclined to put Bowen in the Big Three. Bowen is reliable on defense and he can make the open 3. Ginobili, on the other hand, isn't a presence on defense, so we have to depend on his offense. He's a poor ball handler so he turns the ball over every other possession. Now, he can slash, but if he's not producing, he's a total liability. The worse part is, he keeps shooting and shooting poor shots even when he's off. Then the few times he does pass, he passes to f*cking Jacque Vaughn?

Duncan and Parker should leave the court in protest because no one else is making an effort for the team. Horry continues to shoot and shoot and continues to toss up the ugliest bricks I've ever seen.

I don't get Popovich. What you do in game 1 for quarter 1-3 was working. It was the last quarter you messed up (thank you, Manu), so why change? What is this giving Horry and Vaughn so many minutes when they suck SO BAD!

Keys to Victory:
-Duncan is there. Run offense THROUGH him.
-Limit Vaughn and Horry's minutes to 5 minutes each.
-Threaten to cut off Oberto's balls next time he wants to miss layups
-Threaten Tony's beard if he even thinks about settling for jumpers
-Start Finley to get Finley going early
-Pull Manu if he has a bad shooting night. Keeping him in when he's missing will only increase the turnovers
-Where the was Thomas? Is he sick or something?
-Bowen is hitting his 3's. WHY IS HORRY GETTING MORE SHOTS THAN HIM?

Seriously, we should clone Parker 4x, Duncan 4x and Bowen 1x. Have a starting lineup of Parker, Parker, Bowen, Duncan, Duncan. Then have a bench of Bowen, Parker, Parker, Parker, Duncan, Duncan, and Duncan.

I overlooked Ginobili's play in the past because he scored when necessary, but then I realized. Those 3's he made were necessary because he turned the ball over so many damn times, of course the opposing team would pull ahead of us in points.

IGNORANT, FAKE, SPURS "FAN!"

[Fizzzar]

Stop feeding the troll... He'll come back next time manu has a sub par game.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

no troll here, he was being serious - he posted about 20 times explaining his points. Im still waiting for his loser ass to come here and face the smackdown and the ownage he deserves

[SouthernFried]

Anyone who says Manu is a liability when he's not scoring...and he's only good for scoring...is a fool.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[DAF86]

You can be a fan of an individual. I don't mind that at all. What I have a problem with is the flat out hate. I don't mind criticism if somebody has not played well for a game or two. But to diminish his entire career because of a bad game or two is not only flat out wrong, but borderline trolling.

Of course it's ok to be a fan of an individual, in fact everybody has his favorite player. The problem is when you say you're a fan of a particular team but you're actually a fan of just one player of that team. I'm sure that if Duncan gets hurt Deuces88 will start cheering for the Spurs to lose.

[vander]

ginobili was a liability in games one and two, game three didn't change that,

[DAF86]

ginobili was a liability in games one and two, game three didn't change that,

Here's an example of what I was talking about.

[Mr. Peabody]

Man, when his shots aren't falling, the rest of his game goes to .

[vander]

he's looking more and more like just one of the greatest bench/role/energy players ever, not a star that you can count on every night.
If he isn't ON, Pop needs to pull him out right away

[vander]

ouch, yet another no show from Manu. I dare say that if he was NOT on the spurs' roster we could have at least taken LA to 6.
and I only see Manu continuing downhill, his style of play doesn't age well.

[ElNono]

Let me put it clearly, so we can put this thread to rest: Manu Ginobili will be a Spur until at least 2010, perhaps even longer. So either get used to him, or get off the bandwagon.

[vander]

wow..a lot of Nba General managers are moonlighting on the Spurs forum today! Any other worthy trades that you recommend

I am dealing with the spurs loss by being a to other spurs fans. how are you coping?

[Beast]

Well, Bowen doesn't get enough credit.

he SURE doesnt!!

[gregpschneid]

We'd have 3 less championships without manu. You guys should be ashamed. There are some real dumbasses around this forum.

[vander]

We'd have 3 less championships without manu. You guys should be ashamed. There are some real dumbasses around this forum.

because if we didn't have Manu, we would have just left that shooting guard position vacant, so yeah it would have been hard to win 3 les with only 4 guys out there half the time.

[Beast]

We'd have 3 less championships without manu. You guys should be ashamed. There are some real dumbasses around this forum.

MORE than some!! i am embarrased to be a fan with these people!

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

because if we didn't have Manu, we would have just left that shooting guard position vacant, so yeah it would have been hard to win 3 les with only 4 guys out there half the time.

I'm pretty sure someone less than a Wade and Kobe at the SG spot in place of Manu would have choked or at best came up short, and an easy scenario of 2001-2002 of championship droughts with Duncan having no help would have repeated over and over again.