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... and that's where I stopped reading.
Ginobili is basically a scorer and a turnover machine. If he's not producing offensively, that just leaves turnover machine. What the is he good for? This is like Boston's Big Three turning into the Big Two Plus Ray Allen. Same here. The Big Two Plus Ginobili.
Seriously, I am more inclined to put Bowen in the Big Three. Bowen is reliable on defense and he can make the open 3. Ginobili, on the other hand, isn't a presence on defense, so we have to depend on his offense. He's a poor ball handler so he turns the ball over every other possession. Now, he can slash, but if he's not producing, he's a total liability. The worse part is, he keeps shooting and shooting poor shots even when he's off. Then the few times he does pass, he passes to f*cking Jacque Vaughn?
Duncan and Parker should leave the court in protest because no one else is making an effort for the team. Horry continues to shoot and shoot and continues to toss up the ugliest bricks I've ever seen.
I don't get Popovich. What you do in game 1 for quarter 1-3 was working. It was the last quarter you messed up (thank you, Manu), so why change? What is this giving Horry and Vaughn so many minutes when they suck SO BAD!
Keys to Victory:
-Duncan is there. Run offense THROUGH him.
-Limit Vaughn and Horry's minutes to 5 minutes each.
-Threaten to cut off Oberto's balls next time he wants to miss layups
-Threaten Tony's beard if he even thinks about settling for jumpers
-Start Finley to get Finley going early
-Pull Manu if he has a bad shooting night. Keeping him in when he's missing will only increase the turnovers
-Where the was Thomas? Is he sick or something?
-Bowen is hitting his 3's. WHY IS HORRY GETTING MORE SHOTS THAN HIM?
Seriously, we should clone Parker 4x, Duncan 4x and Bowen 1x. Have a starting lineup of Parker, Parker, Bowen, Duncan, Duncan. Then have a bench of Bowen, Parker, Parker, Parker, Duncan, Duncan, and Duncan.
I overlooked Ginobili's play in the past because he scored when necessary, but then I realized. Those 3's he made were necessary because he turned the ball over so many damn times, of course the opposing team would pull ahead of us in points.
... and that's where I stopped reading.
Well, Bowen doesn't get enough credit.... and that's where I stopped reading.
Stupid but everyone is en led to opinions and I guess that's why you are here and not next to Pop or in the place of Pop.
manu was not in the 3 yes in first half
was his ankle that bad or was he just being not aggressive
Unlike Gay Allen, Manu won us at least one championship.
That's what sucks about fairweather fans like you. You have a short memory.
You weren't complaining when Manu was carrying us during the regular season.
Manu is just injured and tired, and it shows. This guy was dunking over Diop 5 months ago. Now he has no lift whatsoever.
The reality is that if he can't feel better for the next game, we are done.
Ginobili really needs to shave. If he shaves, then there is hope just yet.
That's what i said. With that hear and hairy face, he reminds of Manu during the kings series.
I can make a case right now:... and that's where I stopped reading.
Ginobili:
PROS: Can slash and score. Occasionally has a good 3-point shooting night
CONS: Turnover machine. Bad shot selection. Doesn't realize when he's having a bad shooting night. Defensive liability.
Bowen:
PROS: Can make the corner 3. Excellent on defense.
CONS: Not very reliable on offense.
Bowen isn't reliable on offense, but he's far from being an offensive liability. I heard the Laker crowd moan when Bowen gets open 3's in the corner (even before Bowen shoots), because they know it's going in.
Ginobili on the other hand, is completely a defensive liability and an offensive liability when he doesn't score near 20. He doesn't realize when he has an off-night and will just keep shooting and wasting possessions.
I only agreed with your first point. Ginobili is shot right now and thus he is a serious liability right now. As to the rest of your suggestions:
I agree, but Phil will go 2002 on Tim if we go Tim-heavy. That means that once the Lakers start bringing 4th quarter doubles, we'll need the open shooters to knock 'em down; problem is, all of our shooters have dead legs.Keys to Victory:
-Duncan is there. Run offense THROUGH him.
Vaughn? Sure. Horry's doing a pretty good job defensively on Odom, so keep him out there. He's our best defensive option against LO.-Limit Vaughn and Horry's minutes to 5 minutes each.
Castration tends to get coaches fired.-Threaten to cut off Oberto's balls next time he wants to miss layups
Credit to the Lakers D - they're doing a great job when Tony penetrates. Even when Tony gets his layups, he's had three or four pop out on him.-Threaten Tony's beard if he even thinks about settling for jumpers
He did. Finley didn't. Of course, no player gets more feedback according to result than Finley; If he's hitting, playing Finley was a key move. If Finley's missing, playing Finley was costly. He's the Spurs leader in hindsight by Coach La-Z-Boy.-Start Finley to get Finley going early
Again, I agree with this. I wouldn't mind seeing Manu's minutes cut drastically with the understanding that the reduction in minutes means Manu has got to go balls to the wall. Fifteen hard minutes from this version of Manu >>>>>>> thirty-five dead-legged minutes.-Pull Manu if he has a bad shooting night. Keeping him in when he's missing will only increase the turnovers
The Laker bigs are mobile and Thomas is even more stationary than Fab. He's not right for this matchup.-Where the was Thomas? Is he sick or something?
How is Bowen supposed to get shots when his shots depend on the rest of the offense picking up their slack? Bowen is great when the Big Three have it going and the defense forgets about him. But if you intend to get more shots for Bowen it's not going to work very well.-Bowen is hitting his 3's. WHY IS HORRY GETTING MORE SHOTS THAN HIM?
the big three is a ing myth, you look up spurstalk.com forum history, there were always people who gave bowen props
look at someone like me who has scoffed bowen less times than i can count on one finger, and has thrown ginobili off teh bus more times than i can remember
the guy is finished
and pop is sadly exposing him by putting him in a position to fail...if you play brent barry EVERY minute ginobili gets this series thus far, we lose by a closer margin.
I tried to ignore you but...
Bowen has impressed me. But get off Manu, he is obviously hurt and a lot of guys probably wouldn't even be playing in his position.
Carrying the team? Are you one of those fans that just look at specific plays and not the overall picture?
For the record, I'm a Duncan fan and will support the team he's on. Manu dunking on Diop has WHAT relevance? You focus on his offense when he does good but you don't look at his lack of defensive presence, his offense when he does bad, or his stupid turnovers and shot selection. This team has always been carried by Duncan or Parker in the playoffs.
You're not a real fan. Real fans see the faults of their team and try to support adjustments. Chalking it up to a bad ankle is an excuse. The ankle isn't stopping him from passing the ball or forcing him to turn the ball over or make silly shots.
You can't give Manu 15 minutes and expect anything. He feels pressured now and needs time to settle. Belive you me that the last thing the spurs need now is forsing ginobili to do more.
A lot of superstars play with injuries. Look at Iverson and Wade. even Ben Wallace once played with a f*cked up leg. That's not an excuse, especially not in Manu's case. Is his ankle telling him not to pass the ball or to pass the ball to a Laker? Is the ankle telling him to take contested 3's instead of dishing it to Duncan?
I didn't know ankles could talk.
Manu would do so much better if he would just pass the ball more when he realizes his shots aren't falling. Besides the scoring, what does Manu have? If he's not scoring on a night, he's not bringing anything to the table.
No, the ankle is not telling him, the ankle is dictating the turns and slips in order for the pass to be made.
Manu Ginobili is injured in several places and this is how you mother ers thank him for getting you three Championships?
you.
I'm not trying to bag on Manu. I love the guy and I feel for him since he clearly doesn't have much in the tank right now.You can't give Manu 15 minutes and expect anything. He feels pressured now and needs time to settle.
So what's the best way to use him? If you play him big minutes, his fatigue will be a bigger factor.
So the best way to thank him is to keep him on the floor as much as possible when he's practically spent? I'm confused.Manu Ginobili is injured in several places and this is how you mother ers thank him for getting you three Championships?
you.
Only worthy comment about this pile of BS:
This is the stupidest and opportunistic post I have ever read on this forum
exactly
i know it takes a certain degree of pride, but seriously, if ginobili is playing like this and feeling like this, go up to your coach and say i cant play cuz all you did on the floor when you did play is help the other team.
right now brent barry > manu ginobili.
Either you play him or not. I don't see him giving us anything in 15 minutes and who would you give his minutes ti? At least he is playing better than Finley and I don't know about Brent. I feel that you either take a chance or take him out and sit him. He looked OK in the 3rd quarter if he can sustain that ...
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