Carter:Another Spur missed trade opportunity

[T Park]

Vince Carter???

Youve got to be kidding me.


Only Sequ would want that puss over Manu Ginobili.


Sequ, theres more to basketball than dunking the in ball you dunce.


Vince Carter tonight, wouldve layed a in egg.

Grow a in brain.

[rascal]

I also would rather keep Manu if I could get Carter for my first trade scenario, for Bowen, Barry and Rose but only Sequ Spur was willing to even make this trade.

You homers form attachments to spur players and over rate them.

Carter shooting 5's would improve on the spurs becasue he wouldn't have to force up so many shots which lowers the %'s. He would also get better looks with duncan on his team. Carter has had very little support on the teams he has been on. Thats why he hasn't won. He has never played with an impact big man. Akeem was finished as a player when he went to Toronto.

[smeagol]

I also would rather keep Manu if I could get Carter for my first trade scenario, for Bowen, Barry and Rose but only Sequ Spur was willing to even make this trade.

You homers form attachments to spur players and over rate them.

Carter shooting 5's would improve on the spurs becasue he wouldn't have to force up so many shots which lowers the %'s. He would also get better looks with duncan on his team. Carter has had very little support on the teams he has been on. Thats why he hasn't won. He has never played with an impact big man. Akeem was finished as a player when he went to Toronto.

[waly.mg]

Manu X Carter and ......who more?

Manu X Carter and Kidd?

Manu x Carter and Jefferson, who is in the IL?

Manu don´t will go to anywhere

He die in Argentina or in San Antonio

[pjjrfan]

Chemistry is more important, and I think that the Spurs mangement looks at that more than a lot of people would think. Except for the Kidd experience, the Spurs have never really chased after anyone. And Pop and RC have a proven system, 2 les, and arguably the best player in the league who buys into it and who they can build around. I'm not about to second guess one of the top franchise managements in the league. The Spurs operate on a budget, and the things they have done and accomplished are trutly miraculous.

[ALVAREZ6]

This thread is pretty much over.

We all basically agree that Manu should stay, besides 2 little re s.

[Extra Stout]

If the Spurs got Carter, they'd have two starters in the All-Star game every year. Right now, they only might get two in the game at all because they are the best team in the league by such a wide margin that everyone is forced to take notice.

Look at the Rockets. They're a borderline playoff team at best, but they have two starters for the West. They have a GM who is willing to trade away most of his depth for star power. If we had someone like rascal running the Spurs instead of Pop and R.C., they could be more like the Rockets instead of where they are now.

[waly.mg]

If the Spurs got Carter, they'd have two starters in the All-Star game every year. Right now, they only might get two in the game at all because they are the best team in the league by such a wide margin that everyone is forced to take notice.

Look at the Rockets. They're a borderline playoff team at best, but they have two starters for the West. They have a GM who is willing to trade away most of his depth for star power. If we had someone like rascal running the Spurs instead of Pop and R.C., they could be more like the Rockets instead of where they are now.

So we gonna trade Manu, or Parker, or Both for Yao Ming

With yao we gonna have 2 All stars for the Next 10 years

[Extra Stout]

So we gonna trade Manu, or Parker, or Both for Yao Ming

With yao we gonna have 2 All stars for the Next 10 years

The Spurs could be 24 and 19.

Imagine that.

Sheyitt.

[smeagol]

I agree with Alvarez. This thread is going nowhere.

We all basically agree that Manu should stay, besides 2 little re s.

One's body is little, the other has a little brain.

[Useruser666]

On a side note, these were the rankings on www.foxsports.com Top 200 fantasy players.

39. Manu Ginobili - SG

40. Vince Carter - SG/SF

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3357536

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Look at the Rockets. They're a borderline playoff team at best, but they have two starters for the West. They have a GM who is willing to trade away most of his depth for star power.

Yao Ming doesn't have star power, he has the communist vote.

Anyone in this thread supporting Vince shows they don't know about hoops. 20 point scorers are a dime a dozen in this league, what you need is someone who can perform in the clutch, and more importantly the playoffs.

I guess you guys don't follow east coast basketball, because the one time Vince was actually around for a playoff series he got owned by I think it was Baron Davis, not to mention having old man Antonio Davis (teammate) call his ass out.

[rascal]

If you want to post fantasy rankings.

In the cbs head to head fantasy leagues Carter is clearly more valuable than Manu.

Carter is ranked 17'th amonst guards and Manu 32nd.

[whottt]

I guess you guys don't follow east coast basketball, because the one time Vince was actually around for a playoff series he got owned by I think it was Baron Davis, not to mention having old man Antonio Davis (teammate) call his ass out.

He had a pretty good scorers duel with AI but ultimately got owned...and Oakley called him out as being a weak ...


Oakley then went on to prove emphatically, that Carter is a weak , the next time he faced him as an opponent.

And the first time Carter was in the post season he shot 300% from the field...

[whottt]

If you want to post fantasy rankings.

In the cbs head to head fantasy leagues Carter is clearly more valuable than Manu.

Carter is ranked 17'th amonst guards and Manu 32nd.

And if you want to pull your head out...dude has admitted he tanks it...why in the would you want that guy on your team?

He's a ing quitter...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's kinda hard to quantify fantasy rankings, sounds like CBS puts more emphasis on FGs and points scored.

Manu is a six cat monster most nights, while Vince gets to say that he shot a lot and scored some points.

[whottt]

I think most of the other NBA players pretty much consider Carter a joke...

I know Barkley and Smith laugh at him and pretty much think he is pathetic...

Toronto traded him for scrubs and is now a better team.

The Nets aquiring him has made no difference in Jason Kidd's desire to be traded.

Basically everyone in the world except Rascal and Segu realize that Carter is all style and no substance, is injury prone, and lacks heart...yet we are supposed to listen to you two clowns instead of what is obvious to anyone who isn't a Superstar groupie.

Don't call us homers...you guys are nothing but All Star vote homers(laughable because the mofo gets voted in to the AS game when he hasn't even played a game hardly or even been healthy)....ya'll haven't watched of this guy...

[baseline bum]

No GM in the league would trade Ginobili for Carter and his whining, laziness, and injuries. If Carter was worth Toronto would have done a whole of a lot better than a done Alonzo Mourning, two scrub-ass Williams' and a couple of picks. You're the biggest ing re on this board.

[baseline bum]

im confused does rascal want to see the spurs win a championship or turn into a sacramento or phoenix?

Don't be confused... all that did in the 2003 playoffs was complain about the Spurs winning a le by playing boring basketball.

[smeagol]

rascal is getting owned in so many ways it is not funny anymore

[Man In Black]

Lets see Manu get the touches and become a 20 point scorer before we say he is just as good as a 20 point scorer.

Can he score 20 a game? Its possible he can and so can many other nba players if given enough shots but the fact is he is not a 20 point scorer and never has been for whatever reason(Pops system and spurs team play) he doesn't get the minutes or the shot attempts and hasn't yet become a go to player(scorer) like Carter has been. Carter has proven to be a top star in the league while manu is trying to reach that level but hasn't gotten there yet and there is a chance he never will.

Is manu better defensively? I would say he is but overall Carter is the bigger offensive threat and more capable of taking over a game than Manu and Carter is the better player. Manu still has a ways to go before he reaches Carter's level.

It only took 1 year for Manu to accomplish what Vince has been trying to get his entire life. A championship. Manu has already been considered the best player in 2 leagues he has played in PLUS the World Championships and the Olympics. If Carter was here, he'd get less shots so him getting 20 points isn't exactly a sure thing. His effectiveness in FG% sucks as well. There are intangibles that can't be counted. Vince Carter has shown us his best years and he is well on his decline. Manu Ginobili is a work in progress but seriously, for as good as the team is playing this year...why would anyone want to that all up with a trade for Vince Carter? That guy doesn't understand the intracacies of team basketball and role-play. Apparently, you and Sequ don't know as well. It ain't plug & play. If Pop can hold Tim back, he can hold anybody back.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That brings up another point. Manu was leading his country to a gold medal while VC was pussing out and counting his money.

[johnny00]

I can't believe this thread went for 120+ posts. Rascal go back do your homework and come back when you have something to bring to the board.

[rascal]

smeagol: owned? How do you figure that? I see nothing but weak opinions why people don't want Carter. I see nothing that convinces me that Carter would not have been a good pickup for the spurs for either one of my trade scenarios that match out contracts especially the 1'st one for Bowen, Rose and Berry. Thats a steal for the spurs.

I've been on this board enough to have seen so many times when the minority were proven right. Homerism will lead the masses to misjugements and wrong beliefs and disappointments when expectations are higher than they should be.

The main point here is the spurs have done nothing for years in trades even when top players can be had for little more than matching contracts.

Again, How many would not trade Bowen, Rose and Berry for Carter? That was my 1'st trade scenario but I've seen very little talk about that 1'st offer and everything about not wanting to trade Manu.

[exstatic]

Toronto did give him away, but primarily for ending contracts or near ending ones. Why does everyone think other teams want our bad contracts?

To directly answer your scenario: if Pop thought it would make the team better, he'd do it in a heartbeat. Your trade makes the team less of a threat from beyond the arc, and a worse team defensively, not to mention throwing an underachieving snake into the locker room who admitted playing less than his best.