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    The only true strategy I can see the Spurs being able to use to improve is a bad one:

    Trading a semi-protected FUTURE 1st.

    If the Spurs were say, dumb/desperate enough to give up a 2016 top 6 protected pick, then yeah, they could probably add that to some fodder and pull a player that could help.

    Maybe a 2016 lotto-protected for 5 years pick could be enough, but I have my doubts.

    Not like the Spurs ever get over on anyone, they had to deal two firsts to their old friend Presti just to get a washed up expiring Kurt Thomas, after being caught with their pants down after refusing to upgrade in summer 07, reminiscent of this past offseason.

    So would a 2014 1st + a 2016 lotto protected pick be something to be happy about to get someone like Thaddeus Young or Wilson Chandler?

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    As far as I remember, SA traded 1 first round pick (25th pick in the end) with Barry and Elson to land Thomas.

    Chandler or Young are not worth 2 first round picks. So no, San Antonio's FO wouldn't be so dumb to do it and i don't think it would be the asking price, especially Young with that contract.

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    I'd take an injury prone Bynum over Ayres/Baynes, at this point.

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    There is no one out there that is available for what the Spurs have to offer that can come in and be the third offensive wheel. Besides, offense isn't the problem even without Ginobili and at this point everyone should move forward with the expectation that he will contribute very little going forward.

    As many have said in the off-season and to this point, the answer is and has been to run the offense through Leonard more. A big reason why the Spurs lost against the Heat was because Leonard couldn't consistently attack his mismatch when James switched onto Parker as they got away with Mike Miller and Mario Chalmers guarding him.

    , I wouldn't even mind even run plays to initiate the offense through Green and Splitter, just to give defenses a different look. And they'll have to be comfortable when they're asked to do this because elite defenses will inevitably lock on to our key players late in a playoff series.I think most of came into this season with that expectation but that hasn't been the case thus far even before the injuries.
    I disagree (not about the assets part, but that offense isn't a problem). Getting Tiago, Danny & Kawhi and starting the right combo will take care of some defensive issues. Spurs started out pretty strong defensively, made changes to the starting line up and the defense suffered (then the defensive crew got injured).

    The offense has struggled, especially with Manu's declining play after the hammy injury. When you only have 1 player who can consistently create for himself/others, it's an issue. I do understand that getting a defensive SF is important and probably another legit defensive PF. Me saying I think they need a legit 3rd option on offense isn't saying those other things aren't important. But Manu was struggling as third option when healthy (meaning post hammy recovery) and now he's injured again for a month with no guarantee he will recover fully this year. To me, that is the biggest issue now.

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    I disagree (not about the assets part, but that offense isn't a problem). Getting Tiago, Danny & Kawhi and starting the right combo will take care of some defensive issues. Spurs started out pretty strong defensively, made changes to the starting line up and the defense suffered (then the defensive crew got injured).

    The offense has struggled, especially with Manu's declining play after the hammy injury. When you only have 1 player who can consistently create for himself/others, it's an issue. I do understand that getting a defensive SF is important and probably another legit defensive PF. Me saying I think they need a legit 3rd option on offense isn't saying those other things aren't important. But Manu was struggling as third option when healthy (meaning post hammy recovery) and now he's injured again for a month with no guarantee he will recover fully this year. To me, that is the biggest issue now.
    I see your point now I just think that answer will have to come in house(unless they find a way to get someone like Lowry,Aflalo or Chandler)which is running the offense through Leonard more frequently. Though I think we can both agree that Ginobili at this stage of his career should not be relied upon as a primary offensive option.

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    Cartier Martin won't be re-signed by the Bulls, league source tells RealGM. His second 10-day expired Wednesday. He'll sort other options.

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    I think Spurs should give him a chance, he has good size 6'7 - 220, can shoot a bit.


    I think Martin could have a "James Johnson" type impact if he finds the right system.

    He was part of the Hawks till early Jan so I'm sure Coach Bud could give us a scouting report on him.
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    I forgot all about Hanga and Jean-Charles. Drafting has been a flat out joke. They literally have nothing to show for the last four years.
    Spurs have done well in drafting where they are drafting. We'll see how good they are when Duncan and Manu retire, and when Parker gets traded to NY. We'll be in the lottery then, when the pressure to make the right picks really count.

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    BTW, as much as we'd all like a trade that turns the Spurs into a contender, don't expect one during a losing streak. The more desperate we look, the higher the asking price for any pieces we are seeking. I think the Spurs will ride out the injury wave, and once most of the guys are back, they'll see what they have.

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    Spurs have done well in drafting where they are drafting. We'll see how good they are when Duncan and Manu retire, and when Parker gets traded to NY. We'll be in the lottery then, when the pressure to make the right picks really count.
    No more draft and stash, need to get someone who is mgs ready who we can bring along. If Ayres can get a whiff then a rookie can too

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    Cartier Martin won't be re-signed by the Bulls, league source tells RealGM. His second 10-day expired Wednesday. He'll sort other options.

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    I think Spurs should give him a chance, he has good size 6'7 - 220, can shoot a bit.


    an SF with 6'6, better than nothing

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    No more draft and stash, need to get someone who is mgs ready who we can bring along. If Ayres can get a whiff then a rookie can too
    I agree. second rounders only for the draft and stash. 1st rounders need to be ready to fly or fall, after they get drafted.

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    Hoping someone can clarify. Is their specific rules in regards to trading rights of international players? As a part of a package deal. I haven't heard anything about it.

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    Cartier Martin won't be re-signed by the Bulls, league source tells RealGM. His second 10-day expired Wednesday. He'll sort other options.

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    I think Spurs should give him a chance, he has good size 6'7 - 220, can shoot a bit.




    Nah. Spurs will sign a 6'6 PF rather than a SF. Who even needs a SF on this team or a backup point that can actually run a play?

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    Spurs still have options: trade deadline, March 1 -- Playoff Eligibility Waiver Deadline, and Euro buyout; just have to hope the right combination of players/deals become available.
    Another thing helping the Spurs this year is the amount of injuries league wide. Teams aren't just looking for that "final" piece to make a push for the playoffs, some teams just need anything to get by for now till their players come back from injury. Players like De Colo, CJ, Baynes, etc might seem more enticing than normal.

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    I agree. second rounders only for the draft and stash. 1st rounders need to be ready to fly or fall, after they get drafted.
    I would have rolled with deshaun Thomas at the 3 or 4 this season same thing with jean Charles. We don't even use the end of the bench so why keep them around for nothing

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    Generally, I'd say they wouldn't sign a player like Martin, since he actually has legit SF size. But in his specific case, I wouldn't be surprised. In addition to legit SF size, Martin is a solid three-point shooter and after spending a few months with the Hawks, has to have at least an elementary understanding of the Spurs' system. He's a sub par defender, but Jeffers isn't big or strong enough to defend SF's at this level anyway, so who cares.

    As far as trades, it's the same old story. They're too arrogant, stubborn, cautious, clueless and reactive to make a potential game changing trade for a player the caliber of Young or Green, who's a lesser version. The absolute best I could envision them doing, is either Bonner, De Colo and a 2nd (or overseas rights to anyone but Bertans or Jean-Charles) for Marvin Williams or Bonner and either Ayres or De Colo for Bass. Most likely though, they stand pat on that front and sign a washed up scrub such as Howard or Pietrus for the remainder of the season after they fail to get what they want in the buyout market.

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    Generally, I'd say they wouldn't sign a player like Martin, since he actually has legit SF size. But in his specific case, I wouldn't be surprised. In addition to legit SF size, Martin is a solid three-point shooter and after spending a few months with the Hawks, has to have at least an elementary understanding of the Spurs' system. He's a sub par defender, but Jeffers isn't big or strong enough to defend SF's at this level anyway, so who cares.

    As far as trades, it's the same old story. They're too arrogant, stubborn, cautious, clueless and reactive to make a potential game changing trade for a player the caliber of Young or Green, who's a lesser version. The absolute best I could envision them doing, is either Bonner, De Colo and a 2nd (or overseas rights to anyone but Bertans or Jean-Charles) for Marvin Williams or Bonner and either Ayres or De Colo for Bass. Most likely though, they stand pat on that front and sign a washed up scrub such as Howard or Pietrus for the remainder of the season after they fail to get what they want in the buyout market.
    The Spurs won't do anything period.. They will roll with this lineup, Bonner will be here past the deadline, he might get resigned in the offseason, Spurs will end up drafting 2 Euros or a Euro and some guy who fell off in college by either injury or just not developing.

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    Bonner will be here past the deadline, he might get resigned in the offseason
    Watching Bonner this year in lineups with bench guys, he looks completely lost. Only way he can stay afloat is if you can hide him on D and let him hit threes. Athleticism to rebound / etc. is completely gone and he can barely run. Really doubt they keep him for anything more than the vet's minimum.

    That said for this year, Pop may like the flexibility he brings in a playoff series with certain matchups when less of his minutes are with D Leaguers. His contract is a valuable trade chip if packaged with something else of value, but the problem is there's nothing to trade that anyone wants unless we take back a bad contract ... would be a Bonner + filler for an overpaid guy who can semi-contribute with at least 2 years on his deal.

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    PJ Tucker (Suns) and Demarre Carroll (Hawks) are 2 players I wish their respective teams weren't going to make playoffs, SFs Spurs could have potentially traded for.

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    Watching Bonner this year in lineups with bench guys, he looks completely lost. Only way he can stay afloat is if you can hide him on D and let him hit threes. Athleticism to rebound / etc. is completely gone and he can barely run. Really doubt they keep him for anything more than the vet's minimum.

    That said for this year, Pop may like the flexibility he brings in a playoff series with certain matchups when less of his minutes are with D Leaguers. His contract is a valuable trade chip if packaged with something else of value, but the problem is there's nothing to trade that anyone wants unless we take back a bad contract ... would be a Bonner + filler for an overpaid guy who can semi-contribute with at least 2 years on his deal.
    Bonner never had athleticism to rebound or contribute down low, he's just there to shoot 3's unless a guy is 3 feet close to him then he'll put the ball on the floor and try that nifty little hook. It's really sad that we've kept him around this long. Unless we face an nonathletic team he's pretty useless in the rotations. There's no LA this season to exploit.

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    Just checked Hoopshype for available SFs. Apparently the Spurs don't really want Pietrus huh.

    There's Josh Howard, Reggie Williams, Dahntay Jones, Luke Walton, DeQuan Jones, Gary Forbes, Devin Ebanks, Cartier Martin! Dahntay Jones, Luke Harangody.

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    Bonner never had athleticism to rebound or contribute down low, he's just there to shoot 3's unless a guy is 3 feet close to him then he'll put the ball on the floor and try that nifty little hook. It's really sad that we've kept him around this long. Unless we face an nonathletic team he's pretty useless in the rotations. There's no LA this season to exploit.
    Or force a Memphis to take ZBo off the floor. But you're right - of all the other teams in the playoff hunt, he shouldn't see the court against any of them.

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    Just checked Hoopshype for available SFs. Apparently the Spurs don't really want Pietrus huh.

    There's Josh Howard, Reggie Williams, Dahntay Jones, Luke Walton, DeQuan Jones, Gary Forbes, Devin Ebanks, Cartier Martin! Dahntay Jones, Luke Harangody.
    Wrong section look for slow shooting guards undersized

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    I just wanna' say, It would incompetent for the Spurs to sign Jeffers to another 10 day contract, given how offensively limited he is given our present situation. They'd do better with signing a SF with actual scoring prowess and some upside at this point, then a stop gap like Jeffers.

    Devin Ebanks or someone alike please.

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    Bruh why can't these s ever make a big signing? These s don't have cap space?

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