Official Trade/Signing Ideas Thread

[cd021]

You could have stopped at Tiago Splitter. The Spurs didn't sign him to a new contract in the offseason so they could trade him 6 months later. The Spurs have never operated that way and they aren't going to start now.

If they could get a couple of rotations pieces (one being an all star) and save cash in the process any team would operate that way.

The move could be a benifit to both teams. Milsap is a stop gap, signing a 2 year 19 million deal. Moving him for a legitimate rim protecting center and nabbing a 1st rounder to boot isn't a bad haul. Plus they'd ,possibly, slip in the standings which would only help their draft order.

Milsap is a versatile scorer (include from 3) and can defend. Carol is a long, 6'8 SF who can play both forward spots (the 4 in small ball)

I mentioned to Chinook that we'd need to get another bigman (on the account that Ayers and Baynes are awful).


A more realistic ,low key deal, that I'd like to see, would be Aminu for Bonner +a 2nd rounder (possibly a future, protected 2nd as well).

He is essentially a taller (6'10) longer, and more athletic Leonard. He doesn't have Leonard's upside or his 3pt shooting but could start at PF for the Spurs and also play small forward when Kawhi sits. Diaw and Splitter could both come off the bench with Manu and Beli and Mills (he'd be less of a liability defensively playing with Leonard, Diaw and Splitter on the floor).

[Hoops Czar]

If they could get a couple of rotations pieces (one being an all star) and save cash in the process any team would operate that way.

The move could be a benifit to both teams. Milsap is a stop gap, signing a 2 year 19 million deal. Moving him for a legitimate rim protecting center and nabbing a 1st rounder to boot isn't a bad haul. Plus they'd ,possibly, slip in the standings which would only help their draft order.

Milsap is a versatile scorer (include from 3) and can defend. Carol is a long, 6'8 SF who can play both forward spots (the 4 in small ball)

I mentioned to Chinook that we'd need to get another bigman (on the account that Ayers and Baynes are awful).


A more realistic ,low key deal, that I'd like to see, would be Aminu for Bonner +a 2nd rounder (possibly a future, protected 2nd as well).

He is essentially a taller (6'10) longer, and more athletic Leonard. He doesn't have Leonard's upside or his 3pt shooting but could start at PF for the Spurs and also play small forward when Kawhi sits. Diaw and Splitter could both come off the bench with Manu and Beli and Mills (he'd be less of a liability defensively playing with Leonard, Diaw and Splitter on the floor).

The only time RC Buford ever bent over backwards to make a trade was a RJ for S-jax swap. The only reason he made the trade was to save money and none of that money was put forth toward improving the team. If the FO cared so much, Bonner would ave been amnestied/traded, De Colo and Baynes would be overseas, Ayres would be playing somewhere else for the league minimum and Patty wouldn't be the backup PG. The FO doesn't really care about team needs. That was made evident in the last few offseasons. It's all about draft and stash and wait for the next Ginobili to hatch from its overseas caccoon. The problem is the NBa landscape has changed. It's the Spurs that haven't.

I didn't say I don't approve. I'm saying it won't happen. Splitter is a Spur lifer. And it's not bigs that the Spurs need, it's quality bigs and those don't grow on trees. Aminu would be a nice pickup but team's don't want Bonner. He's proven that he's not even a rotational player anymore. If the Spurs can't get in on a three-way, I can't see the Spurs doing much of anything because they have no assets except D-league level expirings with little to no upside. It's not helping the Spurs cause that players are out injured and their only tradeable assets are crapping their pants left and right.

[Baam]

You could have stopped at Tiago Splitter. The Spurs didn't sign him to a new contract in the offseason so they could trade him 6 months later. The Spurs have never operated that way and they aren't going to start now.

I don't agree, they had to re sign him not to lose an asset for nothing, and because he was a good fit between Tim and Kawhi... None of these things would be true anymore, they'd get something back and he doesn't seem to be as good of a fit anymore... The priority is contending now...

I just wish they don't trade the pick, I want to see Kyle Anderson on the team so badly, two Diaw instead of one, I'd be so happy...

The problem with smaller moves is that the impact will probably be minimal in most cases, even Diaw barely got the nod in time his first year, it'd take pretty good players to make the PO rotation without the infamous training camp/coorporate knowledge...

Which is why I'd restrict myself to bad contracts or headcase that wouldn't cost a pick (and could even get us one back) while still having good to great potential.

Gerald Wallace
Eric Gordon (with Ginob injury I think he become a much better fit)
JR Smith
Bynum (could really use the low post scoring against OKC shot blockers)

edit not to triple post : Enes Kanter seems on his way out of Utah, would like him as well at backup center but they don't have any contract to shed and would only take picks/young assets we can't spare...

[Baam]

The only time RC Buford ever bent over backwards to make a trade was a RJ for S-jax swap. The only reason he made the trade was to save money and none of that money was put forth toward improving the team. If the FO cared so much, Bonner would ave been amnestied/traded, De Colo and Baynes would be overseas, Ayres would be playing somewhere else for the league minimum and Patty wouldn't be the backup PG. The FO doesn't really care about team needs. That was made evident in the last few offseasons. It's all about draft and stash and wait for the next Ginobili to hatch from its overseas caccoon. The problem is the NBa landscape has changed. It's the Spurs that haven't.

They actually have changed, they've lost their best guys at the FO and on the coaching staff starting with Presti. RC much like Pop is quite overrated, look at the 2011 draft video, he was so excited about Cojo, he was like "this guy is every bit as exciting to us than Kawhi, look at how smart we are" :. Turns out that was an epic fail...

[Hoops Czar]

They actually have changed, they've lost their best guys at the FO and on the coaching staff starting with Presti. RC much like Pop is quite overrated, look at the 2011 draft video, he was so excited about Cojo, he was like "this guy is every bit as exciting to us than Kawhi, look at how smart we are" :. Turns out that was an epic fail...

Nobody has to tell me RC Buford is overrated. I've been saying itfor the last couple of years. The day Presti left SA to take the job in OKC was the day the front office picked up and walked out the door. They have literally nothing to show from the draft the last four years. Most of them are draft and stash and you never hear from them again. The Spurs even struggle to develop talent.

About Tiago, if the Spurs wanted to rid themselves of him, they could have done a sign and trade. They just don't do those things. Most plyers that sign contracts stay til their contract is up (ie. Bonner). And RC Buford after what happened with the RJ situation has no desire to take on anymore bad contracts. I wish they'd do something though because as currently constructed, they're going to struggle this year unless they've been saving their defensive intensity for the second half (very unlikely). It's really easy to pointb at injuries as a reason for the Spurs struggles but they werevstruggling prior to injuries against good teams.

[DapDaGenius]

Hate to lose Marco and Mills to an extent but that SF/PF combo would be nice with the inevitable small ball lineups we will run out there.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kccxox8

[r0drig0lac]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kccxox8

it is delusion, get 2 good players for trash?

[DapDaGenius]

it is delusion, get 2 good players for trash?

I only put the trade b/c he said he'd hate to lose Marco and Mills, so I switched them out. lol

If I was serious, it would be delusional.

[cd021]

The only time RC Buford ever bent over backwards to make a trade was a RJ for S-jax swap. The only reason he made the trade was to save money and none of that money was put forth toward improving the team. If the FO cared so much, Bonner would ave been amnestied/traded, De Colo and Baynes would be overseas, Ayres would be playing somewhere else for the league minimum and Patty wouldn't be the backup PG. The FO doesn't really care about team needs. That was made evident in the last few offseasons. It's all about draft and stash and wait for the next Ginobili to hatch from its overseas caccoon. The problem is the NBa landscape has changed. It's the Spurs that haven't.

I didn't say I don't approve. I'm saying it won't happen. Splitter is a Spur lifer. And it's not bigs that the Spurs need, it's quality bigs and those don't grow on trees. Aminu would be a nice pickup but team's don't want Bonner. He's proven that he's not even a rotational player anymore. If the Spurs can't get in on a three-way, I can't see the Spurs doing much of anything because they have no assets except D-league level expirings with little to no upside. It's not helping the Spurs cause that players are out injured and their only tradeable assets are crapping their pants left and right.

Thats exactly why the Pelicans would be interested. A cheap deal that expires at the end of the season. He is a bench player that would be moved for a started (Aminu). The Pelicans aren't making the post season with Phoenix, Dallas, Memphis, Denver and Minnesota all having a chance of making it (the 7th and 8th). If The Pelicans pick is out side of the top 5 they lose it to Phili (Holiday deal) if their pick is inside the top 5 then they keep it.

So the move makes sense. Move a starter for a fringe rotation player and the team gets worse.

We did win the Jax/RJ trade and made GSW look like morons for acquiring RJs deal , and essentially paying $11 million for the 29th pick in the draft)

He has been conservative but while most teams make swing for the fence signings or trades only a handful have actually payed off to the tune of a conference finals appearance.

Knicks
Signed Stoudimire a $100 million dollar deal
Traded 5 player in a deal to acquire Anthony
Signed Chandler to $4 year, 60 million deal

results
Lost in the 1st round to the Heat (Minus Chandler)
Lost in the Semis in 5 games to the Pacers

Nets
Traded for Deron Williams, later resigned to the max
Traded for Joe Johnson

Lost in the 1st round to the Bulls

Lakers
Traded Bynum + a pick in a deal that aquired Dwight Howard.
Trade 3 picks for Steve Nash

Result sweep loss in the 1st round

Philadelphia
traded first rounder+ Andre Iguadala in a deal that netted them Andrew Bynum
result missed post season, cause rebuild.

Spurs lack of aggression, in terms of acquiring players has actually worked out surprisingly well.

Spurs found Green when Manu broke a bone in his hand. Found Neal, after he lit up the summer league and make the most of a roster spot in the NBA. Traded Hill for Leonard (a move that saved them a ton of cash and got them a higher ceiling talent). Signed Beli, who is the leading the NBA is 3pt shooting, for 2 years 5 million.

Bonner and De Colo are still on roster because they are expendable and can be packaged for a player making up to $7.9 million. Baynes is on a cheap deal that can be thrown into make a deal work. None of them are playing particulary big roles on the team anyway.

I agree on the draft and stash. But the Spurs do have an intriguing list of stashes including Bertans, Hanga, & Jean-Charles.

[cd021]

The Spurs would be eating a ton of money, but they'd be no where near the tax next season. It'd only add about $3 Million to their current payroll, and Diaw isn't going to get a huge raise. With the cap increase, they would still have a ton of room. Plus, the books would be completely clean for 2015.

As far as Noguiera goes, I had assumed he'd go to Toronto. But it depends on negotiations. The Spurs eating all that salary may allow them to pick up an asset (Joseph to Toronto and Schröder to SA?) or at least keep their pick.

Ok. That wouldn't be a bad deal Noguiera, from what i've heard, has some nice upside and if we'd be able to keep our pick or acquire Schröder that would icing on the cake.

As for Diaw, i've been interested to see what type of deal he would sign. Would the Spurs consider trading him knowing he has rehabbed his stock quite a bit and that they'd have to pay in the off season? Also how many years would he sign on for as well? It doesn't necessarily make sense to bring him back on a 2 or 3 year deal since the Duncan and Manu would be gone.

[xmas1997]

The only time RC Buford ever bent over backwards to make a trade was a RJ for S-jax swap. The only reason he made the trade was to save money and none of that money was put forth toward improving the team. If the FO cared so much, Bonner would ave been amnestied/traded, De Colo and Baynes would be overseas, Ayres would be playing somewhere else for the league minimum and Patty wouldn't be the backup PG. The FO doesn't really care about team needs. That was made evident in the last few offseasons. It's all about draft and stash and wait for the next Ginobili to hatch from its overseas caccoon. The problem is the NBa landscape has changed. It's the Spurs that haven't.

I didn't say I don't approve. I'm saying it won't happen. Splitter is a Spur lifer. And it's not bigs that the Spurs need, it's quality bigs and those don't grow on trees. Aminu would be a nice pickup but team's don't want Bonner. He's proven that he's not even a rotational player anymore. If the Spurs can't get in on a three-way, I can't see the Spurs doing much of anything because they have no assets except D-league level expirings with little to no upside. It's not helping the Spurs cause that players are out injured and their only tradeable assets are crapping their pants left and right.

It was a gamble that didn't pay off, but at least it got rid of RJ and probably the only way to get rid of him. Too bad SJax was worse than he was at ude wise than the last time with the Spurs.

[hoopdreams11]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradech..._trade/6417786

Check out this since Nate just busted his ACL

[TheGoldStandard]

Well the Pacers signed Bynum.

[TheGoldStandard]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradech..._trade/6417786

Check out this since Nate just busted his ACL

We save money off the bat in the long run which is okay and Mosgov isn't terrible but we would have to cut Miller. Chandler alone by moving Bonner and de Colo and a second would be fine. Milsap deal would he essentially the same and Atlanta has more of an incentive to pick up a draft pick seeing as they have a pick probably in the 1-10 range and Brooklyns pick

[TheGoldStandard]

If they could get a couple of rotations pieces (one being an all star) and save cash in the process any team would operate that way.

The move could be a benifit to both teams. Milsap is a stop gap, signing a 2 year 19 million deal. Moving him for a legitimate rim protecting center and nabbing a 1st rounder to boot isn't a bad haul. Plus they'd ,possibly, slip in the standings which would only help their draft order.

Milsap is a versatile scorer (include from 3) and can defend. Carol is a long, 6'8 SF who can play both forward spots (the 4 in small ball)

I mentioned to Chinook that we'd need to get another bigman (on the account that Ayers and Baynes are awful).


A more realistic ,low key deal, that I'd like to see, would be Aminu for Bonner +a 2nd rounder (possibly a future, protected 2nd as well).

He is essentially a taller (6'10) longer, and more athletic Leonard. He doesn't have Leonard's upside or his 3pt shooting but could start at PF for the Spurs and also play small forward when Kawhi sits. Diaw and Splitter could both come off the bench with Manu and Beli and Mills (he'd be less of a liability defensively playing with Leonard, Diaw and Splitter on the floor).

I would love Aminu on the floor, his athleticism is a huge attraction plus his height. His stroke can be worked on and he is still very young

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ‏@ShamsCharania 1h Free agent forward Cartier Martin will sign a 10-day contract with the Atlanta Hawks this afternoon, league source tells RealGM.

Shams Charania ‏@ShamsCharania 52m
RealGM sources: The Atlanta Hawks reach a deal with free agent Cartier Martin; don't retain rookie James Nunnally. http://tinyurl.com/mg27x3q

[NickiRasgo]

Spurs signed Shannon Brown for a 10-day contract.

[heyheymymy]

we should take a look at nunnally imo tbh

[hoopdreams11]

Well according to RealGM Chandler for Nando and Bonner works, lol..

Chandler
Mozgov
Miller

works for
Bonner
Cojo
DeColo
Splitter

[TheGoldStandard]

Chandler
Mozgov
Miller

works for
Bonner
Cojo
DeColo
Splitter

Don't want Miller at all, Splitter deal saves us in the long run though

[hoopdreams11]

I hear what you are saying about Miller but Denver is will not be inclined to trade without dumping Miller.

[td4mvp2k]

Deculo bein cut n them signin anotha player looks more like wats gunna happen tbh

[TheGoldStandard]

De Colo and Bonner back next season

[td4mvp2k]

Bonner prob but not deculo tbh

[szkorhetz]

Corey Brewer anyone? I know he is probably out of reach, but if the Wolves finally fell short on the Playoff run he should be somewhat available just like Mbah Moute