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    post ASB collins was a legitimately good and very versatile offensive player. wasnt much on defensively, but wasnt a trainwreck either.

    he might be more cursed defensively than last year with people scoring through contact against him seemingly at all, but the outside shooting falling apart is on him. being a good high post passer and ability to score hooks in the low post is nice, but the shooting is what made him worth the money, and that has completely evaporated.

    people wouldnt care as much about his defense if he was still bringing that complete package on the other end
    I see a player whose confidence is shot. It may come back.

    As for his defense, he's undersized. He was actually pretty good defending the post but now that's gone. His size is closer to a PF than an actual C.

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    I also think that Collins is targeted more aggressively on defense due to Wemby's presence. If the opposing team wants to attack the backet, they know their opportunity is when Victor sits.

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    i wish the spurs landed buddy hield. they could've had him for cheap and used the rest of this season to evaluate him.

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    i wish the spurs landed buddy hield. they could've had him for cheap and used the rest of this season to evaluate him.
    He's already 31 and starting slip, though. The trade Toronto made for Ochai Agbachi is more in line with what they could do, go for a young, recent lottery pick who isn't quite turning out on his present team but has promise and the skill set you're looking for. Not saying him, but that sort of thing.

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    i wish the spurs landed buddy hield. they could've had him for cheap and used the rest of this season to evaluate him.
    He doesn’t really need evaluating. He has one NBA skill, three point shooting. If he’s above 40% his warts and lack of other skills can be overlooked. Below that mark, and those issues really do matter. He was at38% this year, which is why they moved him.

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    i wish the spurs landed buddy hield. they could've had him for cheap and used the rest of this season to evaluate him.
    Indiana evaluated him plenty which is why they moved him to Philly. Not worth 3 2nd round picks for a 2 month rental or, worse yet, a gross overpay. Pass.

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    I'd be happy to look at Buddy to fill the McBuckets role next year on a 2yr/$7M deal (which I kinda thought we'd do with Doug)... but no real need to evaluate him, he's a pretty known quan y at this point.

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    So Zach Collins is secretly still maybe somewhat great, but Buddy Hield is terrible now because his three point shooting percentage dipped under 40 percent for now --- some of you guys are hilarious.
    Buddy Hield has been a reliable high-volume shooter for years, and most likely, the Pacers moved him because they couldn't come to an agreement with him as far as an extension goes, and because they think he doesn't fit their time line. Zach Collins is a complete nobody in this league and no one will be interested in him as a player beyond his contract. I don't mind his extension at all - it was a reward for him being healthier and showing some flashes as a stretch big. However, he has been absolutely terrible this season, he doesn't do any defending or rebounding or shooting at a reasonable clip, and I really hope that PATFO see this as well and won't extend him any further.

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    So Zach Collins is secretly still maybe somewhat great, but Buddy Hield is terrible now because his three point shooting percentage dipped under 40 percent for now --- some of you guys are hilarious.
    Buddy Hield has been a reliable high-volume shooter for years, and most likely, the Pacers moved him because they couldn't come to an agreement with him as far as an extension goes, and because they think he doesn't fit their time line. Zach Collins is a complete nobody in this league and no one will be interested in him as a player beyond his contract. I don't mind his extension at all - it was a reward for him being healthier and showing some flashes as a stretch big. However, he has been absolutely terrible this season, he doesn't do any defending or rebounding or shooting at a reasonable clip, and I really hope that PATFO see this as well and won't extend him any further.
    In his heyday in Sacto, he was shooting ~43%. He’s recently been hovering around 38%. Let’s examine the difference in those two numbers. If you put up 100 shots at the 43% rate, you score 129 points. If you put up100 shots at the 38% rate, you score 114 points. That extra 15 points allows you to keep him the floor in spite of the fact that he plays no defense, and is not a connector. Miami was ready to throw a similar player, Duncan Robinson, into any trades last summer for similar reasons. His 3 point shooting had dropped to 31%, and his minutes from 27 to 16. It’s hazardous to pay any real amount of money to a shooting specialist.

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    I'd be happy to look at Buddy to fill the McBuckets role next year on a 2yr/$7M deal (which I kinda thought we'd do with Doug)... but no real need to evaluate him, he's a pretty known quan y at this point.
    Hield is probably going to command a 2/3 year in the range of $40/$60M contract.

    He's not really a Spurs type and as a starting caliber/6th man, poor defender, the wing/perimeter defense would be even worse than it is.

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    The Jazz have waived forward Kevin Knox, the club officially announced today in a press release. Knox spent a single day on Utah’s roster, having been acquired from Detroit in the Simone Fontecchio trade prior to Thursday’s deadline.

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    Spurs don't need anyone else since they are making the playoffs next year, or so I read here.

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    It’s hazardous to pay any real amount of money to a shooting specialist.
    The poster child for this being Davis Bertans

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    It seems to me that many folks here simply forget to factor in the effects of age on players skillsets. Centers and PFs age better because they don't rely on speed to as much to defend or get to their favorite shot locations.

    SG, PGs, and SFs often incorporate at least some speed into their skillsets when they come into the league, but when the legs start to go (usually around age 30), they gradually lose their abilities to stay in the rotation and their minutes decline. Stars and Superstars often fight off the "over 30 decline" for a while because they are able to develop different skills compared to players who are "one trick pony". Heild looks like a player who may have hit the age 30 wall.

    You can't fool Mother Nature for too long.

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    The poster child for this being Davis Bertans
    Bertans, Hield, and Duncan Robinson all fit this description. You need shooting specialists, but the trick is to not overpay them.

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    The poster child for this being Davis Bertans
    Doug…

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    No, Doug's shooting was always at an elite level, he was overpaid but his contract was always movable (say, neutral). Bertans signed that big contract and his shooting got significantly worse, that made him useless and his contract became toxic. Same as Duncan Robinson for a while, but he rehabbed his value this season.

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    pretty jealous of the moves the mavs made.

    obviously the teams are in two different positions. but they really shored up a glaring weak point.

    only one game but they spanked okc pretty good today. i would've liked either of the two bigs the mavs traded for on the spurs.


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    ^ we’ll see. They gave up a lot of good stuff, including a 30FRP swap to the Spurs, for basically PJ Washington. Is PJ that guy tho?

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    ^ we’ll see. They gave up a lot of good stuff, including a 30FRP swap to the Spurs, for basically PJ Washington. Is PJ that guy tho?
    the mavs desperately needed bigs / toughness / people who could rebound.

    like i said, it has only been one game but having those two over solely relying on dwight pwell and maxi is huge.

    this helps them match-up better against the nuggets, clips too. if one of their stars goes down then i could see dallas winning a series against either team now.

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    pretty jealous of the moves the mavs made.

    obviously the teams are in two different positions. but they really shored up a glaring weak point.

    only one game but they spanked okc pretty good today. i would've liked either of the two bigs the mavs traded for on the spurs.

    Doesn't move the needle that much for them, and doesn't really make them legit contenders. And I'm not sure a second or even first round exit is worth losing all the draft capital they did these past months. That's kind of Finals or bust when you have a player like prime Luka on your team, all the more after trading for Irving. They may be panicking a bit.

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    Too bad Spurs couldn't get in on that OKC-CHA trade to pick off Mic

    A grown up who could run the show and actually pass in the pick and roll

    But the good news is that with the high pick this year, some presumed sign and trade return for Bridges or just keeping him, and the return of Ball and development of Miller and some health luck with Mark Williams ...

    Maybe the Hornets pick accidentally conveys next year if they make the play-in.

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    Doesn't move the needle that much for them, and doesn't really make them legit contenders.
    it moves the needle a lot. they can win a round or two in the playoffs now.

    but i agree, i don't have them as legit contenders. at least not after one game. they're in the tier below now though, which is why the needle moved a lot.


    They may be panicking a bit.
    the mavs panicking? oh, for sure. but they did exactly what they needed to tbh. they addressed a glaring weakness + luka isn't gonna stick around five more years to see what draft picks might pan out.

    PJ and daniel are under great contracts. i spend this summer trying to move kyrie, other dead weight and the mavs might be contenders next year.

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    Getting some good bigs who can be targets for Doncic was brilliant for Dallas. They've given up a bit, but they're actually credible now, some shrewdness. The West is going to see some teams decay and disappear (Warriors, Lakers, eventually Clippers, probably Suns) leaving space for a compe ive Mavericks.

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    Too bad Spurs couldn't get in on that OKC-CHA trade to pick off Mic

    A grown up who could run the show and actually pass in the pick and roll

    But the good news is that with the high pick this year, some presumed sign and trade return for Bridges or just keeping him, and the return of Ball and development of Miller and some health luck with Mark Williams ...

    Maybe the Hornets pick accidentally conveys next year if they make the play-in.
    they sure didn't try

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