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  1. 02-23-2018 #1376
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
    That makes no sense. How could he have been armed if he didnt have a gun and was shot in the back. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
    On February 2, 2013, Kyle and his friend, Chad Littlefield, 35, were shot and killed by Eddie Ray Routh at the Rough Creek Ranch-Lodge-Resort shooting range in Erath County, Texas.[48] Both Kyle and Littlefield were armed with .45-caliber 1911-style pistols when they were killed, but neither gun had been unholstered or fired, and the safety catches were still on. Kyle was killed with a .45-caliber pistol, while Littlefield was shot with a 9mm SIG Sauer pistol. Both guns belonged to Kyle.[9]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kyle#Death
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  3. 02-23-2018 #1378
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    Quote Originally Posted by spurraider21
    to a point where in this country their negatives outweigh the positives.
    Got any stats to back that up?
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    Ok, didnt have a gun in his hand and was shot by surprise in the back.

    The meme is still idiotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
    Ok, didnt have a gun in his hand and was shot by surprise in the back.

    The meme is still idiotic.
    by his own gun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris
    Got any stats to back that up?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d9e01abeee22

    In 2012, there were 8,855 criminal gun homicides in the FBI's homicide database, but only 258 gun killings by private citizens that were deemed justifiable, which the FBI defines as "the killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private citizen."

    That works out to one justifiable gun death for every 34 unjustifiable gun deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
    That makes no sense. How could he have been armed if he didnt have a gun and was shot in the back. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
    SR beat me to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spurraider21
    by his own gun
    What the does that have to do with anything? The meme was ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
    What the does that have to do with anything? The meme was ridiculous.
    it has to do with the claim that he was unarmed

    i agree the meme was ridiculous
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
    What the does that have to do with anything? The meme was ridiculous.
    I agreed the meme was stupid. Kyle's death is proof moar guns isn't the go-to answer you want it to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavlov
    SR beat me to it.
    I corrected that he had a safed gun in a holster and was shot in the back without warning.

    The meme is still idiotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucho
    Im an idiot.
    Got it
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    Quote Originally Posted by spurraider21
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d9e01abeee22

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    Why is an article from 2015 cherry picking stats from 2012?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
    I corrected that he had a safed gun in a holster and was shot in the back without warning.
    So you were wrong and I was right.

    The meme is still idiotic.
    Since I already agreed with that, I don't know why you keep going on about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris
    Why is an article from 2015 cherry picking stats from 2012?
    is it your claim that 2012 is an outlier and that justified homicides typically rival if not surpass the amount of unjustified deaths?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spurraider21
    so then ask yourself and give an honest answer of why you think most murders in the US happen with guns, and not sticks, tylenol, or hot coffee

    sure. but guns do so incredibly effectively, to a point where in this country their negatives outweigh the positives. the amount of justified homicides that we have using guns are incredibly negligible compared to their criminal use.
    must suck to be scared constantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spurraider21
    is it your claim that 2012 is an outlier and that justified homicides typically rival if not surpass the amount of unjustified deaths?
    I'm claiming that they were more than likely cherry picking stats to construct an anti-gun narrative. I'm also claiming that disarming the public will only enable the criminal. No one has been able to dispute that yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trill Clinton
    Blue lives matter

    we all know we don't have the best nor the brightest people in uniform. some, yes but most, no.
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    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-6.xls

    when it comes to justified homicides with guns, 272 in 2015, 276 in 2016

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-4.xls

    when it comes to murders using guns, 9,778 in 2015, 11,004 in 2016
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    Quote Originally Posted by hater
    Got it

    LOL, white flag. No need to explain why you're original post totally whiffed and missed my point beyond "you're an idiot".
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    Quote Originally Posted by koriwhat
    your numbers!
    Hey, hey now!

    What about the X and the ^
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    Quote Originally Posted by koriwhat
    must suck to be scared constantly.
    i'm not. i just see an obviously flawed policy and am pointing out that it can probably be improved

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris
    I'm claiming that they were more than likely cherry picking stats to construct an anti-gun narrative. I'm also claiming that disarming the public will only enable the criminal. No one has been able to dispute that yet.
    it was a 1:34 ratio in the "cherry picked" 2012 sample

    1:36 in 2015 and 1:40 in 2016

    looks like if anything they cherry picked the numbers to weaken the anti-gun narrative (if you claim they cherry picked data in the first place)
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    Quote Originally Posted by koriwhat
    must suck to be scared constantly.
    Says the side clinging to their guns
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgardn
    Hey, hey now!

    What about the X and the ^

    lol
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