so hypothetically, what Spurs assets would Greg Oden be worth. excluding the big 3?
I'm not talking about a trade here just a comparing of values, put Oden on one side of the scale, and what do you think it would take from the Spurs to balance it out?
its still a long time till game 1 so I started pondering this
I would say he's worth at least the rights to all of our foreign players + 7 future first round picks, top 3 protected.
mmmmmm twin towers 2.0
I think hes worth at least Duncan right now. Why? Because on draft night every player is a potential star. And Oden has had that working in his favor for a long time before draft night. People are already sold on him. People believe that Oden will bring a championship to wherever he goes. Of course, Duncan is the same way...just older. But he has already proven his pedigree.
I would certainly take a trade of #28 and Scola upwards for #15. Even if gree/brewer weren't available. McRoberts almost assuredly would be, and I think it would be worth it. I have stated before, that I would be very happy with a trade up for McRoberts; I think he is almost the ideal complimentary big next to Tim. I would also look at trades with Washington, (#16 I believe), NJ (#17). Both those teams are likely looking for PF help; Scola is much more developed than a college player, and will therefore provide immediate help (which both teams might be looking for, NJ and WAS want to win now; I am not so sure about Detroit - they might decide to fully rebuild).
Upon reflection, I can't imagine Detroit gives up the #15, especially if Acie Law is there.
I don't see teams with 4 PFs like Detroit (Wallace, McDyess, Maxiell and Johnson) or Washington (Jamison, Songaila, Blatche, Pecherov) being interested in Scola.
McDyess could be on the way out. Scola would be better than one or both of Maxiell/Johnson, Rasheed is not a post player.
Jamison is a SF/PF tweener, Blatche is nothing, Pecherov is not on the team.
That said, I don't see Wash. pulling for Scola, nor do I really see Detroit, either.
Jamison plays mainly PF.
Blatche is a good prospect.
Pecherov will sign with Washington this summer.
McDyess isn't gone for the moment.
Maxiell has been quite good.
Detroit is really high on Johnson.
I see the sixers and the bobcats being real possibilities as well!!both have mutliple picks in the 1st..
I don't think a single guy you mentioned is a post player. They're all jump-shooters.
Jamison plays mainly PF.
Blatche is a good prospect.
Pecherov will sign with Washington this summer.
McDyess isn't gone for the moment.
Maxiell has been quite good.
Detroit is really high on Johnson.
And please on Blatche and Pecherov. Especially Blatche.
I've long thought of Philadelphia, but I don't think they've discovered foreign players yet. They think Dalembert is from down south somewhere.
Jamison is def. a SF and jump shooter. Not sure about the other 2
First : all teams don't want to have a low post scoring PF. NBA's MVP is a jump shooting PF.
Second : Jamison and Wallace are good low post scorer. Maxiell isn't at all a jump shooter.
Blatche is a very good prospect, great upside. Even if you remove Blatche and Pecherov, Wizards have 2 quality PFs with Jamison and Songaila : it's way enough.
Again, I don't think Detroit or Washington want him, but Jamison is more of a perimeter player, as is Wallace, although they will post from time to time (Wallace unsuccessfully against Cleveland).
Talking about Blatche and Pecherov is overstating the case, and we need to see if Songaila can get healthy.
Talking about Blatche and Pecherov isn't overstating.
Do you know a lot of tems with 4 starting level PFs ?
Both Detroit and Washington have :
- A good starting PF.
- A good backup PF.
- good third string PFs.
They don't need at all a PF. I can even see them trading one.
And Songaila has been heathly since February.
Detroit might be blowing up that frontline a bit this summer. The Wiz could get another good big man with their first rounder.
Measurements and combine results :
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindbla...%20Results.xls
the question is wich team will give you a mid first round for scola ?? probably any
this draft will be huge so i don't see a team trading a high pick except for others good picks or very good player
Randolph is just an example he have more value than scola now ........and he put good numbers last year so some teams may want him
We're sitting here talking about who we think the Spurs will draft while not fully fleshing out some of the more obvious details. Obviously the players that we pick will be dependent on how many roster spots we have available. The notable players that will likely be moved are obviously Barry, Udrih and Elson. But how will we move them?
I have been looking at several teams that could be in the market and I've been trying to figure out how to discard multiple players without taking much back in return.
Obviously we could probably deal Udrih for a future second round pick without too much difficulty. Especially to a team like the Clippers or Bobcats that could be in the market for a backup PG and (in the Bobcats case) are under the cap and nurturing youth. Udrih will likely be included in a larger deal though that will include either Elson or Barry (or both).
Barry could be sent to a team like the Clippers that are craving 3 point shooting as well as PG play. Obviously the Barry/Beno for Maggette trade should at least be revisited...but its likely dead. Hes a good vet on an expiring deal which gives him reasonable value. Another team that might have some interest is the Nuggets or Jazz. Utah is hurting for 3 point shooting and quality play at the 2 guard. The Nuggets are in the same position, but they are also trying to trim payroll. An expiring deal like Barry's would make sense for them.
Elson could be sent to a team looking for frontcourt help an especially one in need of athleticism. Also, Elson's deal is an expiring one, which gives him added value. Elson and Barry could be coupled much like Erik Williams and Matt Bonner were to acquire one more highly paid vet while the other team is mostly buying cap relief in a year. An ironic trade would send Barry and Elson to the Nuggets for Camby. However...I don't see that one flying in Denver. The teams off the top of my head that need frontcourt help include the Wizards and Nets, although I'm not sure if they have interest in Elson.
Any bright ideas?
So Jared Jordan can't jump and has alligator arms but is quite quick.
So the Spurs trade their #28 for the Suns' 2008 1st round pick, their #33 for the Grizzlies' 2012 2nd round pick, and use their #58 on Siaosi Tupou, a 7'10" center from the Kingdom of Tonga.
End of Thread.
Isn't Dalembert one of those stinky cheeses from France?
Nice info. Durant is bigger than I thought. He could be listed at 6'11 in the NBA. That's pretty scary given his skill set.
The funniest thing of all is Jared Jordan has a 14.5 inches no-step vertical
That's ridiculously low. The second worst I see is 23 inches. The guy is 6-foot and 183 pounds and he can't get up at all? You're average WNBA player jumps higher. That's my same height and it was my playing weight and I could jump higher in 6th grade.
This guy better have more skills than Steve Nash because he seriously jumps lower than Rasho.
Holy crap Oden has a 32 inch no-step vertical and a 3/4th court time of 3.27? That guy is going to be a monster. 6-foot-11 without shoes with the athleticism of a small forward and the speed of a point guard?
Holy I can't jump for and I still got like a 19 inch no step vertNice info. Durant is bigger than I thought. He could be listed at 6'11 in the NBA. That's pretty scary given his skill set.
The funniest thing of all is Jared Jordan has a 14.5 inches no-step vertical
That's ridiculously low. The second worst I see is 23 inches. The guy is 6-foot and 183 pounds and he can't get up at all? You're average WNBA player jumps higher. That's my same height and it was my playing weight and I could jump higher in 6th grade.
This guy better have more skills than Steve Nash because he seriously jumps lower than Rasho.
this was the starting point of the whole idea that they might be interestd in Scola.
Davis (38) might retire (even if he said he plans to play one more year) Webber (34) is FA and questionable, Nazr is on the trading block, McDyess (33) has a PO, will likely be back, but also likley just for the next season. if Nazr, Webber and Davis are gone, Wallace might be moved to the center spot, if they can't bring in another decent center.
Maxiell is a strong man and hard worker, but has no offensive skills to talk about. much like Malik, but with even less ball handling skills and very limited understanding of the game.
Johnson is FA, he has played a combined 11 games in his 2 seasons with the Pistons. he is even more raw than Maxiell. if they bring him back, it will take at lest another 2 seasons, till he can provide some impact. especially when talking about the impact a contender team needs.
of course the Pistons need to do something with their frontcourt this year, if they don't want that the window closes. (of course it won't be a aquisation of Scola that solves all their problems, just one little step).
there are lot's of speculations in the Detroit press and among the fans. trades for Zach Randolph and Shawn Marion are rumored. Nazr is the odd man out, seems like noone wants him anymore, but also Sheed is often mentioned as the one who should be traded.
however. Detroit is anything but settled on the PF and C spot.
Some measurements for players in Spurs range :
SF :
Jared Dudley
Height with shoes : 6' 7.25''
Wingspan : 6' 7''
Weight : 219
Morris Almond (last year results)
Height with shoes : 6' 6''
Wingspan : 6' 10''
Weight : 214
Derrick Byars
Height with shoes : N/A
Wingspan : N/A
Weight : N/A
Alando Tucker
Height with shoes : N/A
Wingspan : N/A
Weight : N/A
Dominic McGuire
Height with shoes : 6' 8.25''
Wingspan : 6' 10.5''
Weight : 220
Demetris Nichols
Height with shoes : 6' 7.5''
Wingspan : 7' 0.25''
Weight : 211
Reyshawn Terry
Height with shoes : 6' 7.5''
Wingspan : 6' 10''
Weight : 222
Trey Johnson
Height with shoes : 6' 5.75''
Wingspan : 6' 5''
Weight : 216
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