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Some of us here might correlate "throne" with our modern day toilet.
See if Phenomanul can debunk that.
I could add abortion to your list.
So, your agenda is then the eradication of religious thinking as the sole ill-will of human interaction?
As if, through some magic bullet, you somehow removed all religious thinking from the world and the minds of everyone, somehow we would live in Utopia?
Lets not extend that much gra ude to rational thought. While stem-cell research is certainly a viable candidate for your list, lets not muddy the waters in response to the others.
Terrorism is a facade of religion. Religion is just Extermism's tool to convince others of their cause. Its a straw man. So maybe the 19 hijackers were doing it for religious reasons, the people who put them up to it were not. It was purely geo-political, as is everything in matters of war (these days anyway, not so in the past).
Abortion goes beyond religion. At least, I can see how it does anyway. Murder is murder. If the fetus has consciuosness, then it is alive. Killing it would be murder. I dont care about abortion one way or the other, but if one day it is proven beyond reasonable doubt that a (arbitrary guess here) 6 month fetus is conscious and sentient, then abortion becomes murder, punishable by law.
sexual marriage has less to do with religion than it does societal norms and societies groaning when such norms are indeed, bucked. Sure, the religious use it as a divisive tool (much like Terrorists use religion) to garner support against it, but it doesnt make it a religious issue.
Israel is not a religious issue. Its a historical issue. That the Jews are of a different God certainly inflames matters to the nth degree, the entire situation there has more to do with the creation of an Israeli state 60 years ago and the USA's aid to it, both monetarily and militarily. Sanctions, blockades, refusal of humanitarian aid to Gaza all help push a land dispute into a religious context, when really, it is not at all.
Some of us here might correlate "throne" with our modern day toilet.
See if Phenomanul can debunk that.
Just when I thought I was out, THEY PULL ME BACK IN!!!
Why do you keep doing this?
Let's take a look at claims made by those who deny the facts :
Click on words for link.
Claim #1 - Isis was not a virgin
First, we have to understand how the ancient egyptians lived. They worshipped over 2,000 Gods. They had different versions/accounts/stories for the same Gods in different areas around Egypt. They did not have -1- canonical religion like you are familiar with. When you read an account of Horus' birth, just remember you are reading one account. There are several different stories.
ALL of the Horus birth stories involve a miraculous birth.
1) In one account, Isis is impregnated by "a flash of lightning" and in another account "begotten by a ray of light from heaven". She gives birth to Horus/Apis. Apis is an Egyptian Bull God that is another form of Osiris, they are associated as one and the same. He is most famous for being worshipped by the Israelites as a "Golden Calf" after they leave Egypt and while Moses is on Mt. Sinai.
So. Isis gives birth to Apis (Osiris/Horus) "begotten by a ray of light from heaven". Virgin birth.
There are more accounts, however, but they all involve some sort of miraculous birth. The one I have given however, is a virgin birth.
There is even many accounts of Virgin Queens and Mothers, such as Mut-Em-Usa, the VIRGIN QUEEN OF EGYPT.
You have heard of the QUEEN OF SHEEBA. She was famous for her chas y aka VIRGINITY. She ruled Ethiopia, which would be part of Egypt, around 960 BC.
Virgin women of importance is nothing new to the Egyptians.
Claim #2 - Isis-Meri does not exist so it didn't influence "Mary"
Isis is one of the original Mother Goddess. She too, had many forms. She was worshipped for THOUSANDS of years and was only surpassed by the Virgin Mary.
Isis is not her ONLY name obviously, since the egyptians worshipped many forms of Isis, the Mother Goddess.
'Goddess of Many Names' / 'Queen of the Gods'
She is also known as Aset, Ast, Est, Meri-En-Sakar, and many others.
One of Isis' forms was the Goddess of Nature and Harvest - MERI-EN-SAKAR. They are all forms of ISIS, the Mother.
Isis ultimately absorbed and represented hundreds of different goddesses, all forms of the Mother, ISIS. Her worship survived until around the 6th century CE.
Claim #3 - The 'Mother of God' Mary in Christianity did not copy/borrow/steal from Isis the Mother of God
To quote from this source :
"When Christianity was spreading across the Empire, it's clear that it deliberately took images from the pagan world in which it lived and into which it spread and used those images. Old holy wells and shrines were turned into Christian shrines. In Egypt a shrine of Isis was deliberately and self-consciously re-created as a shrine of Mary."
The connections are so similar, sometimes scholars can't even tell if they are looking at Mary or Isis.
Claim #4 - December 25 was not celebrated by Ancient Egyptians as the birth of Horus/Osiris
This is an Ancient Egyptian Calendar
"Birth of Heru (Horus) the child of Aset (Isis) ; Going forth of Wadjet singing in Heliopolis;Day of Elevating the Great Netjert (Goddess) in all Her names & manifestations"
Jesus' birth day is NEVER mentioned in the Bible, however it too is celebrated on Dec. 25th once again, to coincide with this ancient worship of the Sun. The date was chosen to occur on the same date as the birth of Horus, Mithra, Dionysus and the Sol Invictus (unconquerable Sun), etc.
Claim #5 - Horus' birth is not heralded by a Star in the East as Jesus was
The Star in the East is known as Sirius. Sirius is the brightest star in the sky, almost twice as bright as the next brightest star. Sirius was an important star for the ancient egyptians. They based their calendar around Siirus. They called it "the going up of the goddess Sothis". Sothis/Sirius has always been identified with Isis.
Ok. So, the Star in The East/Isis heralds the birth of the Sun/Son of God Horus.
Claim #6 - Isis/Horus/Osiris are not the original "holy trinity"
Isis is the Mother of God, the Great Mother Goddess.
Horus is the Son of Osiris/ Son of God
Osiris is the Father, "Judge of the Dead in the Afterlife"
Yeah. Apparently, Osiris was judging the dead well before Jehovah.
They are the original Holy Trinity.
Osiris' worship was still widespread until around 388 CE, when Theodosius (the last roman emperor) declared Nicene Christianity the official state religion and began punishing all other religious practices.
OOps. guess Extra Stout's ass is 'kicked up and down this thread'
I swear that's at least the 4th or 5th time you've posted that exact same text, word for word, and introduced it like it's a new argument. These points have been addressed. If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were re-posting these claims in hopes that new participants to the thread who are not inclined to read the entire 50+ pages think you've brought something new and relevant to the discussion.
For those of you just joining us, these points have been discussed ad nauseum and hold little to no value.
You do realize God promised them both the same land?
It is most certainly a religious issue. That is the Holy Land to both of these peoples and both think they are the chosen that God promised it to.
Congrats, you've just described the entire thread in one sentence.
Think again. You really think Al Gore invented the internet.
We're onto you. The jig is upThink again. You really think Al Gore invented the internet.
Another disengenuous attempt to hide the fact that you are unable to counter the flawed nature of your copy/paste arguments.
Your sources are fake. A varied version of the "spaghetti monster's" attempt to undermine belief in GOD.
well if you say this:
then
makes his question valid.His assumption that 'wolfboy' would go to based on my previous response was unbased. (i.e. why I called him out on comprehension in the first place). I made no such asserstion. I said, "I honestly don't know - maybe they'll get a second chance during Jesus' Millenial reign".
My answer is "that's not good enough when the book of Romans and Angel Luv use the word "clearly" "I'm fully aware that your particular scenario is 'gray enough' to be different.
The answer could be:
1) It doesn't matter that they didn't hear of Jesus. They should have come to genuine repentance of their sins while in their search for GOD, who made Himself clearly evident in Creation.
2) Christ will give them a chance to accept him as their King during His millenial reign on earth.
Again, I don't know for certain.
and where exactly are your sources for this ridiculous claim?
I believe that they are real. It is my personal faith. You have proven nada, zero, nothing. Those are your "facts" ?
I love your high and mightly stance. As if your thumper rebuttals hold more weight than his.
Provide:
1. A first hand account of an original do ent or text from the time of Jesus
2. Physical evidence
On a side note, scientology really is de able. They basically get you to confess your worst skeletons in the closet so they have something on you should you ever leave.
Wordeth to thine Mother.The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprise of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action. -- Soft you now,
The fair Ophelia! -- Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remembered.
Now I know you're reaching.... when toilet humor enters the fray, it can point to two things.
Diversionary tactics...
or
I don't know what else to say...
Either way it's still a copout.
Too bad you just can't accept the fact that others have the perogative to believe what they do. I've never forced others into believing what I do; it's contrary to what Jesus taught. Nevertheless, I am comissioned to spread it to all those who need to hear GOD's message of hope.
"I think, therefore God is?"
This thread is golden. Interesting bits on both sides.
Mormonism is a much more compelling example. I'm really not trying to insult it, but it has come from nowhere in 150 years or so to become a serious mainstream religion.
... although one has to bear a lot of fardels when reading through it.
I hate bearing fardels.
yeah, that, and watch out for demons.
That, Scientology, and Foulun Gong.
Always fun to see what new religions we come up with. I like the older ones though. Nothing beats ancient creation myths like the Nordic and Greek style. That stuff had panache.
careful, or I will splash magic water on you.
the truly amazing feat is that Mormonism did it in our age. not 2,000 some years ago when it was commonplace to worship many gods.
Now you're just trolling. Sign of the defeated.
When you come back with more than just, I read it on theses sites*, I'll
listen.
The accounts of your Egyptian mythology are so incongruent with everything else we know about Egyptian history and culture. Again, the strained nature of the parallelisms they are trying to create between JESUS and HORUS is so deceitful it reeks of forgery. Not that you would understand. I'm pretty sure your history courses covered all that material extensively.
Never found him in 19 years of looking.
Pretty much. I highly doubt that the high muckety mucks of the "church" believe their own drivel.
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