Raymond Green is overrated AF

[MultiTroll]

green has also been an elite defensive player throughout his career.

NBA marketing / propaganda dept has wrung you up.

[TD 21]

it's not only that; many of them are just downright cheerleaders for certain players and teams. stephen a. is a perennial front runner, greenie is an apologist and yes man, windhorst is unabashedly sycophantic (to lebron particularly) and so on. denver, sac town, and milwaukee (even philly to a lesser extent) are experiencing what the spurs did during their run, being ignored so that the preferred teams are pandered to. this is the NBA's problem, promoting the hand-picked rather than the league and the game itself.

Yeah, I've discussed this ad nauseam in recent years, namely with the Warriors and Raptors relationships with prominent national media members.

It's really gotten out of control the past half decade, the pushing of agendas, spin jobs, etc. to the point now where they're clearly trying to influence current and future players away from and to certain markets.

I still believe that played a part in S bag wanting out. I suspect his sleazebag uncle was in his ear that he'll never get the accolades and attention he "deserves" playing here and unfortunately that's true.

[daslicer]

Yeah, I've discussed this ad nauseam in recent years, namely with the Warriors and Raptors relationships with prominent national media members.

It's really gotten out of control the past half decade, the pushing of agendas, spin jobs, etc. to the point now where they're clearly trying to influence current and future players away from and to certain markets.

I still believe that played a part in S bag wanting out. I suspect his sleazebag uncle was in his ear that he'll never get the accolades and attention he "deserves" playing here and unfortunately that's true.

I agree the gaslighting has gotten tremendously worse. Like you said back in the day it wasn't so obvious with the biases when it comes to certain teams and players. Now it's straight in your face and the lies by the media feel like insults because they are outright lies.

[daslicer]

NBA marketing / propaganda dept has wrung you up.

Agreed. The refs can make anybody look great defensively if they don't call fouls. Just saw Austin Reeves look like a defensive ace in the Lakers game since he was allowed to foul several times throughout the game and not get called for a foul.

[spurraider21]

Agreed. The refs can make anybody look great defensively if they don't call fouls. Just saw Austin Reeves look like a defensive ace in the Lakers game since he was allowed to foul several times throughout the game and not get called for a foul.

Like they did with bowen and duncan

[TD 21]

I agree the gaslighting has gotten tremendously worse. Like you said back in the day it wasn't so obvious with the biases when it comes to certain teams and players. Now it's straight in your face and the lies by the media feel like insults because they are outright lies.

The league not even attempting to curb this behavior makes them complicit in the thinly veiled, subliminal messaging because deep down they want the majority of domestic future superstars and stars, who are likely consuming this crap, to think their career will be more meaningful if it plays out in a big/glamor market than a small one.

[daslicer]

Like they did with bowen and duncan

The reason Duncan was a great defensive player was he had a combination of great defensive IQ, lateral quickness, and switching abilities on rotations. I didn't know the refs were supplying Duncan his quickness and was telling him where to switch on rotations.

Bruce Bowen did hack a lot, but you can't use that against him since the rules back then allowed for it. Everybody was able to what Bowen was allowed to do. Bowen just did it better than them and he also had elite lateral quickness like Duncan did to stay in front of players. My problem with the current NBA is they only allow a few guys to play by 90's-mid '00s defensive rules ala Draymond while other have to play by the normal rules. This gives unfair advantages to the select few who are allowed to play by the old defensive rules.

Like always another terrible contrarian take by you.

[cd98]

GSW were better without Green. Dillon Brooks, though, is the real dirty player.

[spurraider21]

NBA marketing / propaganda dept has wrung you up.

Yep. All det propaganda

[spurraider21]

What a sequence in crunch time. Stares down donuts, gets upcourt and makes the perfect play off the screen

but bobo jumped reallly high in flip flops

[MultiTroll]

Yep. All det propaganda

Did you even watch the game you Warrior Raymond slurper?
Dumbass was bodied Sabonis about 3 times in the late 3rd and 4th for obvious shooting fouls.

On the play you post, Wiggings holds Sabonis down so he can't elevate so Apemond can get the easy block.

You're perfect propoganda consumer.

And no they didn't "Put Apemon on Fox" for the final play. Fox went away from who was assisgned to him (wussy Curry) and foolishly drove himself into Apemond for the double team.

[daslicer]

Did you even watch the game you Warrior Raymond slurper?
Dumbass was bodied Sabonis about 3 times in the late 3rd and 4th for obvious shooting fouls.

On the play you post, Wiggings holds Sabonis down so he can't elevate so Apemond can get the easy block.

You're perfect propoganda consumer.

And no they didn't "Put Apemon on Fox" for the final play. Fox went away from who was assisgned to him (wussy Curry) and foolishly drove himself into Apemond for the double team.

Spurraider21 trying to convince us that Draymond is a good player is like the equivalent of someone trying to sell you the idea that taste good.

[spurraider21]

The reason Duncan was a great defensive player was he had a combination of great defensive IQ, lateral quickness, and switching abilities on rotations. I didn't know the refs were supplying Duncan his quickness and was telling him where to switch on rotations.

Bruce Bowen did hack a lot, but you can't use that against him since the rules back then allowed for it. Everybody was able to what Bowen was allowed to do. Bowen just did it better than them and he also had elite lateral quickness like Duncan did to stay in front of players. My problem with the current NBA is they only allow a few guys to play by 90's-mid '00s defensive rules ala Draymond while other have to play by the normal rules. This gives unfair advantages to the select few who are allowed to play by the old defensive rules.

Like always another terrible contrarian take by you.

Duncan was notoriously good at avoiding foul trouble. For him it’s all skill but for green it’s just “he gets away with a lot”

[daslicer]

Duncan was notoriously good at avoiding foul trouble. For him it’s all skill but for green it’s just “he gets away with a lot”

Draymond gets away with hacking plenty of times. You are just too blind with your biases to see it.

[Mr. Body]

Green's tactic is to hack hard and early. This sets the stage for the game - he knows the referees won't foul him out, so they adjust to him.

[slick'81]

Green's tactic is to hack hard and early. This sets the stage for the game - he knows the referees won't foul him out, so they adjust to him.

bruh, he fouled out like 3 times in the finals alone

[Mr. Body]

bruh, he fouled out like 3 times in the finals alone

Yeah, because he fouls so much.

[spurraider21]

Draymond gets away with hacking plenty of times. You are just too blind with your biases to see it.

Yep my anti spurs anti duncan bias is too strong here. Clouding my judgment

[spurraider21]

bruh, he fouled out like 3 times in the finals alone

[daslicer]

Yep my anti spurs anti duncan bias is too strong here. Clouding my judgment

You have a strong pro Draymond bias to prove that your original point in this thread which you were claiming Draymond is a legit star is validated hence why you keep bumping it every time you feel Draymond has a good game. You can't seem to let it go that the majority of people disagree with you, so you keep this silly game going.

[Jordan Jackson]

Green's tactic is to hack hard and early. This sets the stage for the game - he knows the referees won't foul him out, so they adjust to him.

Correct. As soon as I saw Green get that early tech I knew it was game over. That er could run out to half court and hit Sabonis with a lawn chair and the refs wouldn’t have called it at that point.

The league/media is going to continue to protect the Warriors and push that weird championship narrative. Kings have to play flawless basketball down the stretch- they didn’t today. Kings shooting only 1 free throw at the half was weird also.

[spurraider21]

You have a strong pro Draymond bias to prove that your original point in this thread which you were claiming Draymond is a legit star is validated hence why you keep bumping it every time you feel Draymond has a good game. You can't seem to let it go that the majority of people disagree with you, so you keep this silly game going.

you have more posts in this thread than i do.

does that mean you have an even stronger anti-draymond bias than i have a pro-draymond bias?

[daslicer]

you have more posts in this thread than i do.

does that mean you have an even stronger anti-draymond bias than i have a pro-draymond bias?

How do you know I have more posts than you in this thread? Did you count them?

I see you decided to play the lame game of deflecting but that's fine. Even if I do have strong anti-Draymond bias it still doesn't take way from the fact that you keep bumping this thread every time Draymond has a good game to get validation over your original argument about Draymond being a star. I don't even bother to bump this thread when Draymond has garbage games. I just don't give a to do it. Like I said before you keep this silly game going. You are not going to ever convince me with your arguments so don't bother wasting my time or others who disagree with you in this thread. We have already made up our minds about this scrub.

[rjv]

and now the dubs catch another f'ing break with fox going down with an injury.

[Mr. Body]

What a candy-ass franchise. Have they ever faced a healthy opponent?