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No relation. This guy's white. And MJ's sons are nowhere as talented as this guy.
I think Pop works with the talent he has and creates the system around that talent. Certainly a lot different offense in the pre-Manu, pre-Parker years than in the Manu and Parker years. Kidd. Certainly if Kidd had signed with the Spurs Pop would have run a ball dominating PG offense.
Spurs haven't had a Nash-type PG and Jordan has a lot of Nash in him. Apparently not the shot but maybe that can be improveded upon. One knock is his athletcism, speed, quickness but he has that same ability to get people off balance and get by/around them that Nash has. He makes paasses like Joe Montana, threaded the needle last couple of Orlando games.
Unfortunately he seemed to have Nash-like defensive capability. Still ...
Last edited by picnroll; 06-02-2007 at 03:44 PM.
No relation. This guy's white. And MJ's sons are nowhere as talented as this guy.
I could see Jordan with the last of the second round picks if he's still there.
Mostly I could see the attraction to him due to his ballhandling. Shooting and defense are a liability, but the Spurs might be able to trust him to bring the ball up under pressure, unlike Beno. Keeping turnovers low = plus for back-up point guards.
The DX pages now have the Finnish PG Kipponen falling to 29. I think we take him at 28 because the Spurs hate to pay money for someone that 'might make it' when they can draft Euro and stash them overseas without paying.
Then DX shows McGuire falling to us at 33. I'm down with that and would think we had a pretty good draft at that point.
Who cares about the last pick? Chances of a pickup there are remote.
I still think a guy like Miles coming on to this roster at 24 can fill in as a legit back up pg and vaughn can be our 3rd pg. This hopefully will happen so we can draft a SG like Almond and possibly a center such as Gray. Just a thought..
At this point I think we need to look at several players quite closely. If the Spurs really like Koponen and think he could be a player they would want they should bring him in for a couple of good workouts. If they really like him that much, draft him at 28.
Players like Afflalo, Byars, Dudley, McGuire, Tucker etc, should be brought in and looked at. If the Suns covet Koponen they could easily trade up a handful of spots to overtake the Spurs. Hence, if Koponen is gone (or the Spurs decide hes not worth their 28) they should likely take an athletic wing. My choice at this point is Byars.
Then with the 33 I think the team should take Dudley (even if we take Byars earlier). The guy is just begging to be a Spur with his style and ability. He will be able to step in immediately and backup Bowen. If hes gone, McGuire is a good choice or a potential backup PG could be taken here (I like Florida's Taurean Green, but Bobby Brownor any other player could go here).
Then with the the 58 the team needs to dig deep. If the Spurs only drafted 1 wing with the first 2 picks then I like Avis Wyatt with the 58 (if hes there) or obviously Herbert Hill would be a steal. Frankly, I think a player like Sun Yue is more realistic. Hes an intriguing prospect that would stay overseas for a while to bulk up and figure things out. Of course, a PG like Mustafa Shakur could always be gambled on here as well.
I like the idea of Byars/Dudley/Yue. This assumes that Koponen does not pass the Spurs' test. To resolve our PG woes we can then either sign Chucky Atkins or Aaron Miles (or BOTH and simply not resign Vaughn).
This is my guess as what the roster will look like for 2007-2008 minus Beno and Barry:
TP-rookie or FA- Vaughn (3)
Manu-Rookie or FA -Rookie or FA(3) Drafting Byars or Almond would be great here
Bowen-Finley-White (3)
TD-Horry-rookie or FA (3)
Elson-Fab-Butler (3)
As you can see I think there could be 4 possible open spots on the roster next year Max..
Adidas San Antonio Spurs 2007 NBA Draft Cap
sportsauthority.com
that looks better than the spurs wcf cap
the reports about Jared Jordan's performance sound almost identical to thoses about Beno back in 2004, when he shined at the Chicago pre draft camp.
btw. back then Chris Duhon was a totally disappointment at the camp.
I still wonder if this was the reason, why Spurs picked Beno over Duhon.
another report from the camp that praises Dudley. seems like all the reporters are now on his bandwagon.
one mock already has him picked higher than the Spurs pick. (DX at 25)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ay3/index.html
btw. also mentioned is Ali Traore, who got lot's of approval, some called him best big man in the camp. (averaged 14.7 PPG on ridiculous 70%FG)
he also totally ouplayed the much higher ranked Herbert Hill, who was sometimes mentioned as a possible Spurs pick.
Traore is only 6-9, but has a 7-5 windspan and can jump. he is a 2nd round bubble, so quite an option for the no.58 pick.
(as mentioned in the prvious post, I don't want to overrate the camp. see Beno. but Traore seems to have developed nicely and might finally be better than some higher ranked prospects from France - including Ian.)
Traroe was a very strong, physical player with nice touch around the basket. He shares one trait with Mahinmi, he's a fouling machine.
Jordan led the NCAAs for two years straight in assists. Beno showed up one time to get a contract and then disappeared again.
from a friend of mine in France who knows a close friend to traore
he have yet 6 workout scheduled with nba teams but nothing with the spurs actually
Just read in Houston Chronicle that the normal chances of a pick panning out as a player--not a star--when drafted from 25 down is only 15-20%. Anyone have any dispute with that?
Granted this is generally considered a deeper draft than most, the 28th, 33rd and 58th pick are basically crapshoots where the player may not even stick in the league, much less become an important cog in the rotation.
Maybe we all need to take a deep breath.
But thats just the thing. There are players that will be available in the second round this year that could have easily been in the teens last year. , Florida's Noah is slated to go at about number 10 this year...he probably would have been a top 2 pick last year. We can definitely get some quality guys.
Ya still gotta be lucky at 28-58...cause this is a 28 caliber pick, one of the weakest picks in the draft.
Well, punk, are ya feelin' lucky?
(with apolgies to Dirty Harry)
but you did realize that 80% of the Spurs starting line up was drafted from 25 down? (I guess you agree that undrafted is included in the 25 down group).
and if you take the whole roster, the 25 down contingent is 67%.
so how can you point on a statistical number for the whole league, when a simple comparison would prove that your own team is not exactly fullfilling this statistical trend?
just for the fun. taking the current roster, the average pick of the Spurs is the #33 pick. (undrafted players are calculated as a no.60 pick)
this is by far the highest number of any NBA team.
(using the logic that 25 down players are usually worthless, the Spurs should be by far the worst team in the league)
btw. we got the #33 pick this year. take this a a good sign.
Finley was a #21 pick, but point taken.but you did realize that 80% of the Spurs starting line up was drafted from 25 down?
#33 = Jared Dudley or Zabian Dowdell
I'm gonna salute the FO and Pop for making those picks because of better info and skill rather than luck--but since the rest of the league caught on to the Spurs trick of scouting Euros, there won't be many 'great but unknown' draft picks out there for us to gobble up.
In fact, you could easily argue that Parker and Manu were the last good picks the Spurs have made. They were immediately good enough to play--but none of their later Euro picks has panned out too well.
agree on what you said about the last years.
(the last good pick might have been Scola in 2002, though)
we could also point that since RC is responsible, the Spurs lack either the fortune or the foresight or both for another at least helpfull pick.
however. there are indications that the Spurs will change their startegy this year and not exclusivly go for Euros. (like hiring a college scout)
looking at this draft class and considering that the Spurs own 2 picks in an area where some usefull players will be left over, the chance isn't that bad, that we get one regular rotation player out of this draft.
I still believe the #9 pick (bulls) pick can be had for the follwoing reasons: No player they draft in this spot will help them win the eastern confrence next year. This teams needs veteran players mixed with their youth if they plan on winning next year. This team also has to in the process of building a more solid team save money for expiring contracts such deng and gordon. Paxson will not break the bank for expensive players such as Gasol who would do more harm than good for the teams nucleus of players. The Spurs have players which the Bulls could use very much such as scola and butler who's skills are good but not great but also come at a very cheap price. If the spurs could give up these players along with this and next years #1 it could be had. It sounds like alot but #9 and #33 should fill out the roster for next years team.
Last edited by yavozerb; 06-04-2007 at 12:37 PM.
I'd piss myself if Chicago sent the #9 our way for Scola + 10 second rounders and whatever else they want, but Yi or Hawes will be far too valuable for them.
we have been talking so much about the Bulls as the team that might be most interested in Scola, that we forgot another (probably more realistic) option.
what about the Pistons? they obviously lacked scoring ability and especially low post scoring. their bigs are all on the downside of their career or on their way out. they still have a good team and could be on top of the East for 2 or 3 more years. they might be more interested in a player with lots of expirience (who is still much younger than the current frontcourt players), than in the usual rookie.
the difference between Spurs situation and Pistons situation is, that Scola shouldn't have a problem to play alongside Wallace, since Wallace never ever enters the paint on offense.
to somehow get the no.15 pick from the Pistons looks also a bit more realistic, than to get either the no.9 pick from the Bulls, or Nocioni in a S&T.
Detroit is one of the teams, that probably might also be interested in some of our problem players (namely Beno and Butler), since they need depth on either PG and C.
Spurs might be a good place for one of their headcases. Delfino might do better with a some tutoring of Manu and Fabricio.
Hmm... I've totally discounted Detroit for some reason. I've thought of Philly and New Jersey, but not the Pistons. In order to go with Scola, they'd have to consider a drop-off in defensive intensity, but it would give them an actual post dimension. I have thought that the team finding Splitter as Best Available at their pick might be interested in a swap instead for Scola - as the better player - I didn't think Detroit would be the team to do it.
Unfortunately I don't see at #15 what the Spurs want. That's why I've been so interested in the #12 from Philly (hoping Larry Brown is in their ear), because I see one of the top 4 SFs falling there, usually Julian Wright. At #15 the Spurs would have to settle for Thaddeus Young (probably) or go a different direction. I suppose, as you say, they could trade up #15 + #28 for a few spots.
If it were Scola + #28 as a demand, I'm not sure it's worth it.
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