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Not really.
Of course, Pop is class.
If asked about Tim Duncan, PJ would go on about the referees not calling fouls or missed calls in the game.
He represents the Lakers franchise perfectly.
Not really.
Detroit Pistons.
Gee.... I dunno,
Maybe you should do an analysis of how many thousands of shots MJ shot in the third or second quarters to put games away and how many Kobe shot in the third and second to put teams away.
I said this before and I'll say it again:
Anybody who thinks MJ was the greatest of all time is just as stupid as those who says Kobe is anywhere near MJ.
Somebody who thinks MJ is the greatest of all time can at least make a substantive argument to support their position. Bottom line, though, is that Jordan is orders of magnitude better than Kobe has ever been or will ever be.
I love it when people throw out terms like "orders of magnitude".
The greatest player I've ever seen play this game is Wilt Chamberlain. 99% of you are way too young to have seen him play. He was quite simply the most dominating player ever. He'd absolutely demolish the compe ion today. We're talking LBJ freakish athleticism in a 7ft frame.
Exactly Manu and Tim are better closers as well ...
And I'd love to see him play against today's stars. But that can't happen. But you act like there is no video out of Wilt. There is, and I've watched a LOT of past players on youtube.
I've seen very little to suggest that Wilt would dominate today's NBA like he did in the past. He played in a center starved league where the players were smaller, less agile, and far less athletic than today. Say ALL you want about how dominant you remember him to be -- look up the videos on youtube. Would he be a good center today? Without a doubt. But to think he would be able to dominate the NBA... from what I've seen, he reminds me a lot of David Robinson. LeBron in a 7'1" frame? Come on. There's a little more to James than his ability to look down at the rim when he jumps. Wilt didn't have half the ball control skills that James does, doesn't have the passing ability, I don't care WHAT you say, because you can call on your memory all you want. WATCH the videos. Those soft finger rolls he shoots about 30 times a game would be swatted into the 17th row of the stands by today's bigs. It's easy to be insanely dominant when you have 5-7 inches on most other players on the court.
I am NOT attempting to take anything away from Wilt. He was a freak of nature and by far the most dominant player of his time. But Jordan has the rings, at a time when the NBA was in one of it's Golden Ages, which we could be swinging into another now with the talent that's rising.
The best ever? You gotta win, baby.
Edit: You know what? The with it. I'll just link you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QmhTWmAaBc
Wow. Exactly what am I supposed to get from watching Wilt play, other than no one else on the court was even close to his height to have a chance to block those little fadeaways and floaters? Exactly what about his game is incomparable to today's elite big men? It's also VERY apparently that NONE of the players he went up against had any concept, not one ing iota of an idea of how to play BASIC POST DEFENSE. Duncan would average 40PPG+ against that kind of spacing! If anything, Wilt resembles Hakeem in this video. Which, yes, is still utterly amazing, but not the GOAT. Not a chance.
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 01-16-2009 at 03:55 AM.
for now ... MJ>Kobe>LeBron
Lebron maybe on top someday ...needs to improve as a closer ...
I was talking about now. LeBron has never had anything close to the luxury of the depth or supporting bigmen Kobe has had most of his career; especially now.
Close second? Is there any year of his career Jordan wouldn't have won a ring paired with Shaq?
What in the ? I'd take one MJ over two Kobes. That's especially true considering that one of the Kobe's would demand that the other Kobe be traded.
Kobe is a damn good player but he can be highly overrated at times. He hasn't won anything without Shaq. In fact, Dwyane Wade won a championship with a much worse version of Shaq than Kobe ever did. Kobe was always a distant second best player in the Lakers championship teams.
Amazing talent but before you can put Kobe and MJ in the same paragraph, he has to do something without Shaq. Until then, his Shaq-less resume is basically the same as Dirk's.
Even now, I think LeBron has a better supporting cast. The Cavs play defense, something that alot of the Laker players don't know how to do. Oh yeah, they're an offensive juggernaut but defense has been lacking.
Kobe/Ariza/Odom are the only very good defensive players. Bynum & Vujacic are up and down on defense and pretty much the rest are mediocre.
I'd go as far as to say if you switched roles, I'd like Kobe's Cavaliers chances better this year than LeBron's Lakers.
The only reason why the Cavs wouldn't win a championship this year is because LeBron doesn't win last minute games.
It's a cliche but Defense wins championships. LeBron's team has the defense but no closer. Kobe's team has the closer but not the consistent defense.
Put Kobe on the Cavs and they would be unstoppable.
Last edited by Allanon; 01-16-2009 at 07:02 AM.
Lebron is over Kobe, together with hundreds of other players like Dirk, TD, or even T-Mac.
I know you're gonna thank me for fixing this photo, you're welcome
You must've missed the thread le.
+1000000000000000
Cavs' record against the West in 2006-07 (made it to finals): 19-11
Lakers' record against the West in 2005-06 (1st round loss): 27-25
Leastern Conference arguments against Cavs' success = FAIL.
All it says is that Kobe fans are insecure and jealous of MJ and Lebron. Notice, its not a bunch of Cavs fans making these threads. Its not a bunch of MJ fans. Its always Kobe and Laker fans.
You're a ing idiot.
LakeShow fan should be equipped with a dog collar that trasmits a powerful electric shock whenever they say the words "LeBron James." Just to save them from themselves.
FYI, Allanon: Cleveland was missing three starters last night. Three. I know LBJ played very poorly, but even with just Delonte, they win going away. Try not to read too much out of one game when it comes to making grand assessments about LeBron's ability as a "closer." I know you're a LakeShow fan, so you probably can't help yourself, but at least try.
And Kobe, while undeniably a great player, would have never made it in Cleveland. He'd have run screaming from the challenge of rebuilding this franchise. Fact.
Arguably one of the two most overrated players ever, along with Bill Russel. Both were fantastic players, but were way ahead of their time, dominating a small league, loaded with unathletic, short white guys. Not to mention, their two teams were loaded with a lot of the other top players in their era. The compe ion they faced was pathetic.
The league is so much more superior today, its not even funny.
The at ude most Laker fans have towards LeBron has got to be the biggest case of penis envy I have ever seen.
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