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yes, putting up 15/7 is very impressive, when you get to go up against the likes of defensive stalworts such as eddy curry, raef lafrentz, marc jackson, and nenad kristic.
What was Cleavland's chances of beating Detroit?
yes, putting up 15/7 is very impressive, when you get to go up against the likes of defensive stalworts such as eddy curry, raef lafrentz, marc jackson, and nenad kristic.
When you're the reason the coach left and the reason all the veteran players move on, then yeah you need to put your money where your mouth is.
Par for the course for DPG; but you'll get used to him.
My arguments? You leave out the teams second best player to try and make your re ed arguments just reach dumb ass level.
Rasheed & Ben Wallace must have been in the West, eh dumb ?
yes, putting up 15/7 is very impressive, when you get to go up against the likes of defensive stalworts such as eddy curry, raef lafrentz, marc jackson, and nenad kristic.
I gave you numbers and thats your best response?
Explain? Disprove them if they are so dumb.
uh ok. Helped me prove my point again. Veteran players moved on and coach gone.
thanks again! You sure you arnt in "our side".
OK so he names 5 crappy centers and as a counter example you provide 1 good center...Rasheed Wallace must have been in the West, eh dumb ?
Typical DPG90210
Kwame Brown - No further explanations
Smush Parker - Not playing the NBA anymore
Luke Walton - We don't need to discuss this guy either
Lamar Odom - Inconsistent and unreliable 2nd option
I defy you to find me a worse supporting cast that Lebron has had to play with.
I'm not even arguing that Kobe did more with his cast than Lebron did. I think Lebron is a better player than Bryant and can get more out of his teammates than Kobe can. But to say that Kobe at any point in the '05/06 seasons had more help than Lebron is downright insane.
Why did the coach leave and why did the veteran players move on? I know it wasn't cause Kobe was a great teammate.
DoK is a flip flopper...he argues for both side..sometimes he talks to argues with himself =D
How is this stupid and why do the Suns all of the sudden get so much credit?Enough with the stupidity
If in 2006, the Suns took what you are all claiming to be the worst team in history in the Lakers to 7 games, then took the Clippers to 7 games the next series, then got bounced by their only tough opponent in the Mavs, how are they so good?
You cannot talk out of both sides of your mouth and say the Suns were so amazing and the Lakers were so terrible, but the series went to 7 games.
I argue for both sides because neither side is ever completely right. Sometimes the Lebron lovers are right, and other times the Kobe lovers are right.
My bad. I accidentally divided the numbers by 6 games instead of 7. Odom still beats the out of anyone James has next to him; those numbers still kill anything he's gotten in the way of support this series, so Kobe nuthuggers can quit with this talk that he had nothing and James has this great cast backing him.
lol..so now since you're getting cornered against the wall, you're changing topics. lol.
i thought we were talking about how crappy the 05,06,07 team was...but now ur backtracking. bravo!
Ok, my mistake. However, I will add this. Why do you stop at three players? Are the games played 4-on-4 with no subs utions? Kobe had one very solid player to help him. When Kwame Brown and Luke Walton are your third and fourth best players on your team, that should tell you something. Additionally, it wasn't only about who else was scoring for that 06 Lakers team in the playoffs against the Suns. The Suns shot 49% from the field for the series. For 7 games, they basically shot 50%. That's because Luke Walton and Smush Parker and Kwame Brown were the guys on defense. They shot 40% from three point range as a team. As a team. Not only were Kobe's teammates underwhelming on offense, they were horrible on defense.
You can't say to a certainty if Kobe was on that Cavs team, he wouldn't have done something similar to LeBron. He probably doesn't, but it's no guarantee.
And did you miss the 2007 Finals? A dejected LeBron James in an elimination game against the Spurs went 10-for-30 from the field, 2-for-6 from the free throw line, and had 6 turnovers at home in game 4. When you're frustrated with your teammates and you're playing a team you know is going to beat you, it sucks. Given that game, should we expect LeBron to shoot 33% from the field and the free throw line and turn the ball over like a hot potato in the next game or if it ends up going 7? No, of course not. Because each situation, each playoff scenario, each opponent presents different variables to different players. Kobe has had his share of failures. There is no doubt about that. So has LeBron. LeBron gets glorified for every little thing he does right. And, Kobe gets criticized for every little thing he does wrong. But, that's what goes along with being a superstar. I just think it's silly to try to compare the two in terms of who has had better supporting casts or try to dissect every little qualification and factor to try to skew an argument for or against either player. Kobe gets no credit for the 2000-2002 les because of Shaq. It's like his play in those le runs don't factor at all to Kobe haters. His extreme selfish performances of quitting on his team in game 7 of the 2006 Phoenix series and ego trip in the 2004 Finals are always the bottom line for how he is as a player with no qualifiers. He gets bashed for getting beat by the Celtics last year even though Gasol and Odom were no-shows (and I know they put up decent stats, but anyone who watched the Finals know their stats aren't indicative of how poorly and how soft they played), while LeBron gets swept in the Finals and is lauded because his teammates sucked.
Yeah, Kobe suckers are annoying. But, Kobe haters are often just as bad.
I give you numbers and you say " you are only looking at offense". You then give me defensive numbers and I say "offense has more to do with talent, defense has more to do with effort, hence the Bruce Bowen vs Odom argument".
Then you say you gave me numbers. I gave you numbers that coincide with talent, you give me numbers that I disprove as somewhat inappropriate for the talent argument.
How did Boston do last year in the playoffs? did they not go 7 games like 3 times?
LOL... like every other re Kobe fan, you act like Odom never existed and never had an incredible series.
The other Wallace "Brother"
Jermaine O' Neal
More I'm sure.
IMO the fact it was Kobe's doing that made it crappy plays a role.
And I'm not saying Lebron would have been able to do anything special with that 2005 team, I'm just saying he would have done more than Kobe did.
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