No, because it wasn't the only shelter I stayed at. I stayed in the building of a church and was less offended (MCREST) and just as much an athiest. They provided us with entertainment (Christian Music) but they did not mandate that we sit and listen to the preacherman for three hours. They invited us to go to church, yet we were were not forced to get up at 6AM and pray for one hour.
I would've scrubbed toilets, gone on job training, jumped through any hoop except that one. I left after one week because I was mugged and that, in combination with the shelter, made me prefer the street.
You are asking me to violate my personal beliefs and spend my time surrounded by the very ins ution I rejected. Christianity.
As for that void, it just proves that too often the burden and responsiblity of charity falls to the religious. I want to change that one day in this county. That is my dream.
Good for you. As a matter of fact, I left after being mugged outside of their ins ution. I didn't demand a handout, I asked for help. I called 1-800-A-Shelter and asked if they had any shelters available.
So you, too; For your lack of compassion. You're the animal demanding that your fellow man is not worth their grain and should die a slow death because they don't believe in Christ.
Personally, I think you shouldn't bash or make fun of someone because they're religious or believe in God. I'm a doubting Christian but I don't go up to Jews, Muslims, atheists, etc... and make fun of them for what they believe. People should be en led to their religious beliefs. You may think they're stupid or wrong but you should at least respect their free will to believe in whatever they want.
Did you not then violate your own beliefs by seeking assistance from the very ins ution you so strongly rejected? I am just trying to understand your anger at them. They do not seem to hide who they are.
They don't. But all I did was try and stay in touch with my health-care provider and I didn't google them. It was recommended to me by an out-patient clinic to go to that shelter because they would lose jurisdiction over me if I didn't stay in Oakland. You act as if they do this WITHOUT the knowledge they are one of two shelters in the entire county. Simply because they can, doesn't mean they should do it. This is something that GOD DEMANDED OF MAN, to clothe, feed, and shelter the least among us. It's not just wrong, it's against their religion.
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If all Christians took your at ude there would be no reason to preach. The presumption of preaching to the lost is that they do not know about God and his ways. In short, their religion.
His philosophy on several topics is really funny/eye opening... I love/ed this guy. RIP
p.s.
to any of his fans.... watch his 3,5 hour interview from a couple of years back; great stuff
A faith-based organization that forces you to attend prayer sessions in order to receive aid? That's BS in my opinion. It's also a prime example of religious nuts shoving their agenda down your throat.
I couldn't agree more.
I went to a catholic school from k-8th church 2 times and week and religion shoved down my throat everyday... my grandparents both were big believers and big in the community so I tolerated it for them, however my parents could care less.
I don't have anything bad to say about people who are big into religion, whatever helps them with their life is fine with me... however some people are just plane nuts when it comes to it, and scientologists are the top of that category lol...
Catholic school did nothing more than cause myself and some friends to "rebel" even harder than most people I knew who were in private schools haha.
What this place is doing represents everything wrong with Christianity. I they want to offer the services, fine. If people don't want to go, that is fine too. You love without stipulations or strings.
Not too long ago I helped organize a team to go out to a local skate park in my town on a Saturday afternoon. We knew that a lot of kids went there and skated all day long with no food or drinks...so we bought a bunch of pizzas and water and took it out to them. When they asked us why we did it we simply told them, "You are out here all day with no food or drinks. We just don't want you to be hungry or thirsty." There was no sermon or or fire insurance pitch...just pizza and drinks for hungry and thirsty kids.
Just tonight I get a phone call about a girl that is about to have a baby and has nothing for it and no family in the area. I don't know this girl any better than I know the hundreds of people that might walk past me every day, but on my next day off my wife and I will be purchasing her a crib and most of the preliminary amenities she will need for her baby. I won't ask her to come to my church...and I sure as won't ask her if she thinks she will spend eternity in . If she ask why I am doing it, I will simply tell her that her baby needs these things and I am more than glad to give them too her.
Why is it so hard to just love people?
Don't I have a duty not to waste their time? Wouldn't it be selfish to take the help and sit in the church uninterested and thinking this is bogus the entire time?
That is up to you. If you want to think it is bogus that you are en led to that. I just don't want you to be without a roof or food.
If you live in or around S.A., I have a crib, sheets, & changing table I'll let you have for cheap!
reminds me of the time I sat through a time share presentation in order to get a $50 Salt Grass gift card. Horrible three hours.
Don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back there.
I don't give a whether or not you believe in Jesus or the Tooth Fairy or the Native American spirit realm or nothing. I care that you are a leech and a drag upon people who actually do something for a living. I have a pretty strong hunch which people group you're a part of.
we all know how tough a whole day of skateboarding in the hot sun can be. Jesus did say to go forth unto all the gentiles and skaters.
it's a sales pitch whether you think it is or not.
man i had to do a load of walking today during college, that'll be two large supremes and a two liter of coke, thanks
Shut up! How can you be against those two stories he just told?
On this we agree. You're doing real good and that can't be overlooked. Good for you. I've met a lot of people of faith with your at ude along my journey. When I was Catholic, I spoke openly about my faith and made people feel terrible. Now, I regret that.
The moral of the story is that we cannot take our personal motivations into account when we do good works. The help is there to help another individual, not for self-gratification.
Just FYI, HS is a troll, and a bad one at that. This is par for the course for him. You'd be better to pretend like he never posted in this thread.
A big criticism that I have about Christianity is the whole prosperity theology. Joel Osteen and other tv preachers are guilty of that. They preach this bull that if you believe in Jesus and God and worship them that you will have a prosperous life. Being a Christian is not going to help you financially. If you read the Bible, you will find that a lot of Christians in the New Testament suffered greatly because of their faith. It gets on my nerves how these tv preachers are telling lies and brainwashing people into believing this crap.
Actually, we gave away the pizza and water for free.
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