Those on the Left, in here...

[ChumpDumper]

thanks for playing, chump

Already been said several times.

yeah. exactly "How is the stupid spreading over the internets"?

Don't know, but it seems to have happened.

[Blake]

How is the stupid spreading over the internets from patient zero yoni?

they have the right to not be stupid, but apparently not the ability.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Don't know, but it seems to have happened.

Yeah. "the stupid" seems to have spread.

[Blake]

Yeah. "the stupid" seems to have spread.

is this some kind of grammar jab?

I hope it is.

[ChumpDumper]

is this some kind of grammar jab?

I hope it is.

[Yonivore]

The need to name the lifetime stupidy award after you at this point. Care to revisit your arguments on terrorism with this latest mindset? If I had a dollar for everytime you pointed out that certain rights were only extended to US citizens.

You can't even keep your own bull in check.

However I may have said it then, I was referring to U. S. Cons utional protection of rights.

Look, y'all can direct your vituperation at me all you want, I'm not bothered. But, that you choose to attack me instead of addressing the ideas says more about you than it does about me.

[ChumpDumper]

However I may have said it then, I was referring to U. S. Cons utional protection of rights.

Look, y'all can direct your vituperation at me all you want, I'm not bothered. But, that you choose to attack me instead of addressing the ideas says more about you than it does about me.

What ideas?

Your stupid ideas?

They're stupid.

They are the ideas of a stupid person.

[CosmicCowboy]

Black's Law Dictionary defines the terms as follows:

RIGHT: "Rights are defined generally as 'powers of free action.' And the primal rights pertaining to men are enjoyed by human beings purely as such, being grounded in personality, and existing antecedently to their recognition by positive law."

PRIVILEGE: "A particular and peculiar benefit or advantage enjoyed by a person, company, or class, beyond the common advantages of other citizens. An exceptional or extraordinary power or exemption. A peculiar right, advantage, exemption, power, franchise, or immunity held by a person or class, not generally possessed by others."

As I read this, when a law grants a benefit to a person or class and does not grant the same benefit to all, then it is a privilege and not a right.

[rascal]

you know. I think I saw nothing but whitey as well. Oh, well. Quit believing your lying eyes.

Not many blacks in Wisconsin.

[ChumpDumper]

Black's Law Dictionary defines the terms as follows:

RIGHT: "Rights are defined generally as 'powers of free action.' And the primal rights pertaining to men are enjoyed by human beings purely as such, being grounded in personality, and existing antecedently to their recognition by positive law."

PRIVILEGE: "A particular and peculiar benefit or advantage enjoyed by a person, company, or class, beyond the common advantages of other citizens. An exceptional or extraordinary power or exemption. A peculiar right, advantage, exemption, power, franchise, or immunity held by a person or class, not generally possessed by others."

As I read this, when a law grants a benefit to a person or class and does not grant the same benefit to all, then it is a privilege and not a right.

Another definition has already been posted and is just as valid.

This is pointless.

[boutons_deux]

"existing antecedently to their recognition by positive law."

So, in practice (not in patriotic wish lists), there are no (God-given, inalienable) rights, no powers of free action, unless recognized (and enforced) by positive law.

[ChumpDumper]

Correct. It's basically that was agreed upon. Like collective bargaining rights.

[LnGrrrR]

Are you saying opening a business is a right?

The freedom to start a business is a right, yes. You have a right to nearly anything, assuming it's not for forbidden by law. That's kinda the point of the 9th amendment.

[boutons_deux]

not just agreed upon, but enshrined in law, to defend workers against employers' vicious goon squads:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa..._Relations_Act

[Blake]

Black's Law Dictionary defines the terms as follows:

RIGHT: "Rights are defined generally as 'powers of free action.' And the primal rights pertaining to men are enjoyed by human beings purely as such, being grounded in personality, and existing antecedently to their recognition by positive law."

PRIVILEGE: "A particular and peculiar benefit or advantage enjoyed by a person, company, or class, beyond the common advantages of other citizens. An exceptional or extraordinary power or exemption. A peculiar right, advantage, exemption, power, franchise, or immunity held by a person or class, not generally possessed by others."

As I read this, when a law grants a benefit to a person or class and does not grant the same benefit to all, then it is a privilege and not a right.

what was the point of this post?

[LnGrrrR]

Chump, I haven't been arguing the point, but I see a good argument for both sides.

A "right" should be available to all. If it is something that law allows to some but not to other then it becomes a privilege granted to certain groups.

So voting is a "privilege", not a right?

[LnGrrrR]

Black's Law Dictionary defines the terms as follows:

RIGHT: "Rights are defined generally as 'powers of free action.' And the primal rights pertaining to men are enjoyed by human beings purely as such, being grounded in personality, and existing antecedently to their recognition by positive law."

PRIVILEGE: "A particular and peculiar benefit or advantage enjoyed by a person, company, or class, beyond the common advantages of other citizens. An exceptional or extraordinary power or exemption. A peculiar right, advantage, exemption, power, franchise, or immunity held by a person or class, not generally possessed by others."

As I read this, when a law grants a benefit to a person or class and does not grant the same benefit to all, then it is a privilege and not a right.

So like I said, opening a business is a right. Thanks for proving me correct.

[Yonivore]

what was the point of this post?

It shows how stupid you and LnGrrrR are about what is a right. Even the law disagrees with you.

[Yonivore]

So like I said, opening a business is a right. Thanks for proving me correct.

...existing antecedently to their recognition by positive law

I'm sure you're intelligent enough to understand what that means.

[ChumpDumper]

And yet, everyone still calls them collective bargaining rights.

Because they are rights.

[Blake]

It shows how stupid you and LnGrrrR are about what is a right. Even the law disagrees with you.

You've spread your dumb ery to others in this thread, so now I finally feel obliged to stop the ignorance.

National Labor Relations Act

Section 7: RIGHTS OF EMPLOYEES

Sec. 7. § 157. Employees shall have the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection, and shall also have the right to refrain from any or all such activities except to the extent that such right may be affected by an agreement requiring membership in a labor organization as a condition of employment as authorized in section 8(a)(3)

http://everything2.com/ le/Nationa...s+of+employees

I knew this Act already, but it took all of 5 seconds of google power to figure out why everyone call them "collective bargaining rights"

http://tinyurl.com/5shtdnp

[Yonivore]

You've spread your dumb ery to others in this thread, so now I finally feel obliged to stop the ignorance.



I knew this Act already, but it took all of 5 seconds of google power to figure out why everyone call them "collective bargaining rights"

http://tinyurl.com/5shtdnp

Calling something a right -- even in law -- doesn't make it one.

[ChumpDumper]

Calling something a right -- even in law -- doesn't make it one.

Correct. Its actually being a right granted by law makes it a right.

[Blake]

Calling something a right -- even in law -- doesn't make it one.

thanks for confirming my initial reaction to just call you stupid instead of answering your stupid questions was justified.

stay stupid.

[Yonivore]

thanks for confirming my initial reaction to just call you stupid instead of answering your stupid questions was justified.

stay stupid.

I give LnGrrrR more credit for understanding than I do you so, I'll explain the concept for you.

...existing antecedently to their recognition by positive law.

This means a right is independent of the law and exists whether or not the law recognizes it.

I know you're confused by all the talk of legal "rights." Right to privacy, the right to an abortion, etc...

But, if I could analogize, it would be similar to the phenomenon of everyone calling the United States of America a Democracy. That's not true. The U.S. is not a Democracy but, that doesn't stop the vast majority of Americans -- of all political stripes -- from calling it one.

And, as soon as someone gains a privilege through law, agreement, or some other transaction, they are wont to slap the term "right" on it. That doesn't make it so.

For instance, let's look at LnGrrrR snarky retort...

So like I said, opening a business is a right. Thanks for proving me correct.

Actually, the right that underpins his response is liberty. We have the right to be free in our associations with others -- whether it be for commerce or some other exchange or, in fact, for no mutual or selfish benefit at all. But, this right exists only to the extent that it does not infringe on another right to liberty.

That's why we have laws that control our exercise of that right.