Dirk or David Robinson?

[DMC]

Considering Dirk led a team to a le and Robinson didn't, why would a Robinson supporter word it like that?

I'd take Oden over both.

[Proxy]

David Robinson.

No offence to Dirk though he's an all time great baller. David Robinson in his prime was amazing to watch. 7'1" with biceps on top of biceps, ran the floor like a guard, score inside and outside, block shots at a rediculous rate and played amazing overall defense.

Offensively its a wash. Dirk is unguardable and can shoot from anywhere no matter who guards him. David was unguardable in his prime to (unfortunately had to play against hakeem) so offensively its pretty even with perhaps dirk coming out on top.

The difference is in rebounding and defense (one on one and team d) david was a much better rebounder and one of the best defenders we've ever seen. Much much much better on D then Dirk. One of the greatest defensive C's ever.

David Robinson far greater overall then Dirk

Man it'd be fun to watch prime David and prime Dirk go head to head!!!!!

Well, before we start talking about how much sexier the Admiral looked than Dirk, let's address the fact that Dirk takes it in offensive comparison. They aren't even.

Secondly, I love the Admiral, but he wasn't a winner. That was TD's doing. Dirk has proven his 'clutchness' this year... something that DRob sadly didn't have.

The Admiral obviously dominates in defensive efficiency by a loooong shot. You can make an argument for both, but your closing statement, that Robinson was *obviously* better is arrogant at best.

[Russo21]

i didnt say obviously. i said overall

[Leetonidas]

I'd take Robinson because I think it would be easier to build a championship team around him versus Dirk. His defense is really it for me because he is one of the better defenders at his position all-time and overall all-time. And it's not like he didn't average 30ppg for a season so he could score too. But no one would pass up on chance to build around a 7'1" center with supreme athleticism, extremely fit and agile, and great defensive instincts versus a 7'0" amazing jump shooter. Not saying Dirk's not an amazing player but for the aforementioned reasons I'd take David.

[Solid D]

What would you say was Robinson's most impressive playoff performance before Duncan? The season you mentioned, 93-94, he came up woefully short against Utah, compared to his regular season averages. To what do you attribute that?

One of his better playoff series was in 1995 versus the Lakers. David averaged 25.3 ppg, 12.1 rpg, 3.1 apg, 3.7 bpg as the Spurs defeated the Lakers 4-2. That was with a pouting Dennis Rodman who was actually benched for insubordination by coach Bob Hill in one of those playoff games.

The same Dennis Rodman who did his very best to sabotage the Spurs defense by refusing to defend the perimeter in favor of better rebounding position while playing screen/rolls in a lack-luster fashion. It bit them in the rear vs. the Rockets. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

[Leetonidas]

Yeah, David takes a lot of heat for Rodman ing up that series. It's not like it was his fault anyway, David was the reason we were there and he didn't do an awful job guarding Hakeem...but Dream was just in another realm and no one was going to stop him and I'm sure David getting that MVP added to his fire.

[dirk4mvp's partner]

Considering Dirk led a team to a le and Robinson didn't, why would a Robinson supporter word it like that?

Thats right sweety, you tell em. Will see yea later "Greggy".

[4lifecowboy]

Well, before we start talking about how much sexier the Admiral looked than Dirk, let's address the fact that Dirk takes it in offensive comparison. They aren't even.

Secondly, I love the Admiral, but he wasn't a winner. That was TD's doing. Dirk has proven his 'clutchness' this year... something that DRob sadly didn't have.

The Admiral obviously dominates in defensive efficiency by a loooong shot. You can make an argument for both, but your closing statement, that Robinson was *obviously* better is arrogant at best.

Wasn't a winner? The man has two rings no matter how you slice it, he played in the Jordan era in his prime, and never had a legit wing man til Duncan came along. this arguement is re ed, Dirk could carry D-Rob's jock strap in any era! how is that for Arrogant! LOL at comparing an one dimensional, jump shooter to one of the top all around centers to ever play the game)

[ambchang]

Bunch of idiots who still can't figure out winning a championship takes more than the star player.

Guess what? Kobe sucked royal in 05 to 07, but suddenly became much much better in 09 and 10, it has nothing to do with the fact that he had one of the most stacked front lines in the last decade.

Dirk was horrible in 07, but then suddenly got it at age 32 and won the Mavs a championship, by himself, never mind that the Mavs spent a decade building a team around him with just the right parts.

And it is well known that Kidd, Jet, Chandler, Marion is of the same caliber as Avery Johnson, Vinny Del Negro, and an insane Dennis Rodman.

[Findog]

Robinson might be the consensus for whom you'd build around as a 21 year old, but the fact remains that Dirk generally raised his game in the playoffs, whereas Robinson's production generally went down.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

lol funny how whenever D-Rob failed in the playoffs, it's always the coaches and ty teammates fault. in other words, he was the 90's version of LeBron? if so, give me dirk.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Guess what? Kobe sucked royal in 05 to 07, but suddenly became much much better in 09 and 10

are you ing re ed??? Not a man on earth thought Kobe "sucked" from 05 to 07, he only outscored an entire team in 3 quarters, then dropped 81, and was only at the peak of his career during that period. Kobe took heat for literally only one thing from 05 to 07, and that was when he very obviously quit on the team in Game 7 against Phoenix. But don't let facts get in the way of your idiotic point.

[Axe Murderer]

lol Kobe sucking royally from 05 to 07

idk how i missed det one

[Leetonidas]

Bunch of idiots who still can't figure out winning a championship takes more than the star player.

Guess what? Kobe sucked royal in 05 to 07, but suddenly became much much better in 09 and 10, it has nothing to do with the fact that he had one of the most stacked front lines in the last decade.

Dirk was horrible in 07, but then suddenly got it at age 32 and won the Mavs a championship, by himself, never mind that the Mavs spent a decade building a team around him with just the right parts.

And it is well known that Kidd, Jet, Chandler, Marion is of the same caliber as Avery Johnson, Vinny Del Negro, and an insane Dennis Rodman.

Kobe didn't suddenly become better in 2009-2010. I think EVERYONE knows that Kobe from 2005-2007 was at his peak and on the offensive end not a player in this league was even close to him. You don't single-handedly outscore a good team by yourself in 3 quarters if you "sucked royal" not to mention setting the modern day record for points in a game. His had some decent teammates in Odom/Butler but everyone else was trash...I mean they had Smush ing Parker starting for Christ's sake.

[ambchang]

are you ing re ed??? Not a man on earth thought Kobe "sucked" from 05 to 07, he only outscored an entire team in 3 quarters, then dropped 81, and was only at the peak of his career during that period. Kobe took heat for literally only one thing from 05 to 07, and that was when he very obviously quit on the team in Game 7 against Phoenix. But don't let facts get in the way of your idiotic point.

Hey Proxy, Findog and Mavfan1000, this guy just called you s.

Kobe wasn't a winner in 05 to 07. I mean, when we compared Robinson vs. Dirk, we don't look at compe ion, defenses, teammates, coaches, nothing, we just look at the two players in a vacuum, and whether they led their teams to a championship, right? So why is this a faulty way of looking at a player's individual season?

Why would the best player not win the championship every single season? Why didn't Jordan win the championship before Phil Jackson, Scottie and Rodman/Grant? Why didn't Shaq win all the championships from 99 to 04? Why didn't Kobe lead his team past the 1st round between 05 to 07? Why did Dirk fail to lead the Mavs to a bunch of championships prior? Why didn't Duncan lead the Spurs to 5 consecutive les from 03 to 07?

Well, before we start talking about how much sexier the Admiral looked than Dirk, let's address the fact that Dirk takes it in offensive comparison. They aren't even.

Secondly, I love the Admiral, but he wasn't a winner. That was TD's doing. Dirk has proven his 'clutchness' this year... something that DRob sadly didn't have.

The Admiral obviously dominates in defensive efficiency by a loooong shot. You can make an argument for both, but your closing statement, that Robinson was *obviously* better is arrogant at best.

What would you say was Robinson's most impressive playoff performance before Duncan? The season you mentioned, 93-94, he came up woefully short against Utah, compared to his regular season averages. To what do you attribute that?

Dallas won a championship with Dirk being the best player. David Robinson couldn't win the championship as being the best player. The difference might be that Dirk is more reliable in the clutch and like I said. Defenses key on him so much that everyone else has open looks. Dirk just does a lot of things that are great for winning. Yes David Robinson is also a great player but he had some shortcomings. For all the praise on great defense, he sure struggled against Olajuwon. Dirk has more range than Robinson. He can stretch out to the 3 point line. That versatility makes it that much more of a nightmare to guard and impossible to find a solution for. With Rodman on his team, you think the Spurs would be a championship quality team. They fell short.

[ambchang]

Apparently, everybody's sarcasm meter is broke today, I thought it was pretty obvious.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Hey Proxy, Findog and Mavfan1000, this guy just called you s.

Kobe wasn't a winner in 05 to 07. I mean, when we compared Robinson vs. Dirk, we don't look at compe ion, defenses, teammates, coaches, nothing, we just look at the two players in a vacuum, and whether they led their teams to a championship, right? So why is this a faulty way of looking at a player's individual season?

Why would the best player not win the championship every single season? Why didn't Jordan win the championship before Phil Jackson, Scottie and Rodman/Grant? Why didn't Shaq win all the championships from 99 to 04? Why didn't Kobe lead his team past the 1st round between 05 to 07? Why did Dirk fail to lead the Mavs to a bunch of championships prior? Why didn't Duncan lead the Spurs to 5 consecutive les from 03 to 07?

Apparently, everybody's sarcasm meter is broke today, I thought it was pretty obvious.

Nothing you said here in any way defends your Kobe comments. And I really hoped for better than the typical lefty "I was just joking" defense.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Also find the part where anybody in this thread said David Robinson ever "sucked royally"

[ambchang]

A prelude like this is pretty obvious:

Bunch of idiots who still can't figure out winning a championship takes more than the star player.

Guess what? ....

And it doesn't really leave any doubt when I concluded the rest with:

Dirk was horrible in 07, but then suddenly got it at age 32 and won the Mavs a championship, by himself, never mind that the Mavs spent a decade building a team around him with just the right parts.

And it is well known that Kidd, Jet, Chandler, Marion is of the same caliber as Avery Johnson, Vinny Del Negro, and an insane Dennis Rodman.

I wasn't joking, I was pointing how ludicrously stupid some of the arguments of having Dirk vs. Robinson is throughout this thread. The single argument people have about Dirk > Robinson (and I am sure those are troll comments) is that Robinson choked and couldn't lead the Spurs to the promised land during his prime, while Dirk could. My counter argument is that a team wins championships, not individual, and the examples that could be used is the level of success that Kobe had in his career, how, the same player, had much more team success when he was on the downhill of his career as compared to his absolute prime, strictly because of the presence of better teammates and coaching.

But all of this would just fly way over your head, because you took one sentence out of an overall paragraph that was clearly used to illustrate how flawed the arguments were. And especially when you actually read the thread and what my responses were earlier on.

But nevermind.

P.S. Nobody said Robinson "sucked royally" in this thread, and I never said anybody did. Not sure how that came about.

[Greg Oden]

People with Robinson avatars and like Robinson over Duncan are equally as gy as Bulls fans who put Pippen up on a pedestal he doesn't belong on.

[Henke]

It's very funny watching all these Spurs fans acting like this is not even a debate and it's a blashphemy to compare Dirk Nowitzki to David Robinson.
After all we're talking about the fanbase where a Dirk/Manu comparison would end up like 40%-60% in favor of Ginobili.

David Robinson aka the admiral aka the ing GOAT of regular season stats and fantasy basketball.

You can have Robinson,his GREAT regular season numbers and the 2 rings he won following Tim ing Duncan and I can have Dirk,his playoffs performances and the ing ring he won as the #1,with the 2nd guy in the team being centuries behind him in terms of production.

We're all good I guess.

[ambchang]

Mavs fans acting like 2006 and 2007 never happened.

[Greg Oden]

Dirk 2006 Regular season averages - 26/9/3

Dirk 2006 Post season averages - 27/12/3

2007 is a mark against him, but he was just fine in 2006.

[ambchang]

The finals in 2006?

[ambchang]

BTW, before I got labelled as a Dirk hater, I am not. Always loved his game.

Just want to get things right, and stop people from posting revisionist history. On a scheme of things, I will rank both Robinson and Dirk in the 10-20 all time talents, with Robinson slightly ahead in terms of ability, and Dirk having a better career.