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    I'm guessing ElNono wanted something linkable.
    ElNono wanted me to link a past example. I would be pleased to do so if I thought he would understand my attempt to explain things any better than he did in the past. Some people say the definition of insanity is to expect different results when doing the same thing again. therefore, I chose a different approach.
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    Classic WC.

    "It's obviously YOU being wrong, by not bothering to look at my positions or put yourself in my shoes!"
    OK, tell me. What do you think of people when you repeat something, reword it, try your best to explain it to them, and they still get it wrong?

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    I hadn't really noticed or paid much attention to really make a comment but from what I remember I don't find them real extreme or unusual.

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    Claiming yourself as a libertarian, and then suggesting state-based sterilization, would probably be considered "extreme" as well.
    That sterilization is only in exchange for the government services. As a libertarian, i believe in personal responsibility. I hate the idea of forcing responsibility, but when the actions affect others... Don't those it affects g=have the right to do their best to see the action isn't repeated?

    True libertarian policies only work when personal freedoms don't infringe on others. I have pointed out before in the Libertarian party platform that they recognize rules and laws are necessary at times. When someone sees my policy idea as extreme, when all I intend to do is stop the the responsible from having to pay for the irresponsible, I have to wonder if their idea of libertarianism is the extreme position of anarchy.
    Supporting warrantless wiretapping, enhanced interrogation, and other avenues of that nature would also be considered "extreme" for a self-professed libertarian.
    I see it acceptable in some cases. Too bad the world situations force us to take such action.

    I suppose baking terrorists cakes, and trying to be nice to get critical information is as effective.

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    if you allow for that possibility, why do you seek to prevent poor people from having children to begin with?
    I see you didn't read the originating thread, or misunderstood it.

    I advocated having both the father and mother of a child, that they conceived without being able to support the child, to be made such that they couldn't repeat the burden upon tax payers. Only in cases where in exchange for government aide, they be sterilized. This was never about sterilizing poor people like (probably ElNono) masterfully spun it in to.

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    He's also shown some reverse racism paranoia/bitterness. Frankly, when it comes to race, his assumptions really sell him short.

    Then, there's the disconnect from reality. Somebody that allegedly stalks a person in an attempt to show his technical prowess and after the obvious downfall publicizes his exploit on the internet still clueless of what he did wrong, probably needs a part changed.
    LOL...

    Finally followed those links. It doesn't surprise me that you went to that much effort to find them.

    The famous "surgeon quote." So accidental in how much attention it received, but it will be timeless now. Won't it?

    I think you forgot the one where I claim supporters of quota based affirmative action are racists, because they believe minorities aren't good enough to compete on a level playing field.

    Isn't the proper definition of racism believing that one race is better than another?

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    LOL...

    The famous "surgeon quote." So accidental in how much attention it received, but it will be timeless now. Won't it?
    Have you ever retracted it or apologized for it?

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    The famous "surgeon quote." So accidental in how much attention it received, but it will be timeless now. Won't it?

    Isn't the proper definition of racism believing that one race is better than another?
    It certainly is.......

    I don't like most black people. There are very few who I have met that grew up in a cultural setting I have any respect for. Most I have met are out right thugs, and lack integrity. I could say I don't like black people, but there are some exceptions. If I based all my decisions on statistics, I would stay clear of blacks.

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    Republican Racism is an Air Raid Siren, Not a Dog Whistle

    In 2012, Republican candidates are using overt signals, what are for all intents and purposes blaring air raid sirens and signal flares that race, whiteness, and American iden y are deeply intertwined. The appeals to white racism by the Tea Party GOP during the primaries are not background rhythms or subdued choruses. They are the driving guitars of Blue Oyster Cult's "Godzilla," the chorus of Jay-Z's "99 Problems," the opening moments of the Notorious B.I.G's "Kick in the Door," or the flipped samples of Justice's "Stress". You feel it. You know it. To deny the obvious is to close one's ears to a driving drum line and cadence that travels up through your shoes...and to your bones.

    How else can a fair observer excuse away Republican arguments that blacks are lazy parasites, whose children should live in work houses and pick up mops and brooms to learn a work ethic, that "illegal" immigrants should be killed by electric fences, or Muslim Americans should be subject to racial profiling, marked like the "Juden" of Nazi Germany?

    http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/153...paign=alternet

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    Finally followed those links. It doesn't surprise me that you went to that much effort to find them.
    There's a search function on the board. All I had to search for was "black surgeon" and "stalking".

    The famous "surgeon quote." So accidental in how much attention it received, but it will be timeless now. Won't it?
    I dont' think "accidental" is the word I would use to describe it. "inflammatory" and "racist" would probably define it better.

    I think you forgot the one where I claim supporters of quota based affirmative action are racists, because they believe minorities aren't good enough to compete on a level playing field.

    Isn't the proper definition of racism believing that one race is better than another?
    I think you're free to have and voice any opinion you want to have, even if I don't agree with it.

    That doesn't mean I think you're right, and will probably point that out too.

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    I see you didn't read the originating thread, or misunderstood it.

    I advocated having both the father and mother of a child, that they conceived without being able to support the child, to be made such that they couldn't repeat the burden upon tax payers. Only in cases where in exchange for government aide, they be sterilized. This was never about sterilizing poor people like (probably ElNono) masterfully spun it in to.
    To qualify for government aid you need to meet certain income criteria, which vastly points to poor people.

    So you're either trolling or terribly dumb. Looking at your post history I would guess the latter.

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    Still haven't read much extreme views yet.

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    Still haven't read much extreme views yet.
    going by this thread, the record appears to be thin. maybe the extreme thing is a red herring.

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    How did ElNono not make my top 10 politics poster list?

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    How did ElNono not make my top 10 politics poster list?
    Now that is extreme.

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    Finally followed those links. It doesn't surprise me that you went to that much effort to find them.
    Didn't you specifically request links?

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    OK, tell me. What do you think of people when you repeat something, reword it, try your best to explain it to them, and they still get it wrong?
    I usually tend to think I'm not explaining it correctly, and then try a different tactic to explain it. I don't think that they are secretly trying to misunderstand it in order to aggravate or annoy me.

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    That sterilization is only in exchange for the government services. As a libertarian, i believe in personal responsibility. I hate the idea of forcing responsibility, but when the actions affect others... Don't those it affects g=have the right to do their best to see the action isn't repeated?
    Not really. A lot of actions affect others. Hey, the bankers stole a bunch of money from us and bailed themselves out. I guess that means we should shoot all CEOs who need money from the US gov't, as that will prevent CEOs from borrowing money from the US gov't in the future.

    True libertarian policies only work when personal freedoms don't infringe on others. I have pointed out before in the Libertarian party platform that they recognize rules and laws are necessary at times. When someone sees my policy idea as extreme, when all I intend to do is stop the the responsible from having to pay for the irresponsible, I have to wonder if their idea of libertarianism is the extreme position of anarchy.
    It's extreme because, instead of just advocating for the abolishment of said program, or even some countermeasures put into law, you advocate government sterilization. I don't see how much more extreme you could be. Why not just, I don't know, deny more than one or two claims?

    I suppose baking terrorists cakes, and trying to be nice to get critical information is as effective.
    Many former interrogators have said that being nice is as effective at getting critical information. It's been posted multiple times in this forum, actually. I think other posters would be willing to back me up on that.

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    Now that is extreme.
    I left you 40 dollars of high grade smoke in the mailbox and all you can leave is a 20 dollar bill? no beer? Dam Joe your one tight vato I shall call you

    JoeChajewpa from now on.

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    I see this as another successful troll job on the part of WC.

    How many other posters have started a thread to discuss themselves and succeeded in building up 5+ pages of fairly insightful analyses?

    Methinks your methods are becoming dangerously refined tbh.
    I don't know how anyone could look at this thread and not further brlive WC is just a troll.

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    I don't know how anyone could look at this thread and not further brlive WC is just a troll.
    Wouldn't that make him one of the greatest trolls in the history of these here internets??

    there's your angle WC... go with it. Beats the alternative tbh

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    He's without a doubt the best. I hope to learn who it is one day.

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    I don't know how anyone could look at this thread and not further brlive WC is just a troll.
    Every TRoll has a name.

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    He's without a doubt the best. I hope to learn who it is one day.
    ST has private messaging.

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    Have you ever retracted it or apologized for it?
    Why should I?

    The intent was to make people ask themselves if quota systems were OK. When schools have limited enrollment opportunities and take the best of people applying, then are forced to refuse some of those best candidates to the next qualified black, female, Hispanic, or whatever to meet a quota...

    Is that right?

    Just how far down the list did they have to go?

    The best response back from that threat was they were still qualified, because they passed. How many of you make fun of president Bush's grades, even though he passed from a top notch school?

    Is just passing always good enough?

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