I am ending this debate now.

[Spursdaone]

Horry and Bowen are getting old which is the perfect time to sell to get something in return. Duncan is soft because he looked scared in games 5 and 6. The truth hurts

[batman2883]

You don't like to here the truth on that which is homerism.

And whats the truth? That when it comes to Spurs Basketball your a complete moron? Please save yourself the embarrassment and change your home team back to the Lakers or something.

[picnroll]

Duncan played the entire post-season on two bad ankles and carried the Spurs to a le. Even he, who rarely admits any injury, said they would get pretty sore by the fourth quater. Soft my ass.

[Spursdaone]

You don't even have a comeback now. All you do now is insult me. I got the final word on each argument and it pains you.

[batman2883]

Just ignore spursdaone, his ignorant comments make things very very clear. The Spurs are not his team, just a bandwagon riding fake fan.

[picnroll]

... and now you're delusional.

[batman2883]

You don't even have a comeback now. All you do now is insult me. I got the final word on each argument and it pains you.

Ha ha ha ha pain me sorry guy but it doesn't the fact that i know KG wont be going home to not one but 2 mvp trophies and 3 finals mvp trophies, and soon to be three rings on his fingers help me sleep a lot better at night knowing that KG is just dust in the wind compared to TD. You still have nothing to come back with, statistically, Duncan rules KG, Hardware-wise Duncan owns KG, Series-wise, Duncan owns KG. Once again im out.

[Spursdaone]

Just stop this homerism and be objective here. I know it is hard but you got to be fair with what Garnett has on his team.

[whottt]

KG stopped being able to use the teamates excuse last year...

I mean ...he had 3 guys that either were or had been All Stars not too long ago on his team last season...

I mean geez...I could win a ing le if I had 4 All Stars surrounding me...

Who does he need, Shaq?


Bottom line...not making the playoffs this season is inexcusable...KG is not a franchise player...at least, he's not a great one...

And the weak teamates card doesn't excuse 1 division le in his entire career...only getting past the first round once....

KG can put up numbers with the best of them...but he's not elite when it comes to putting up the wins... le or no le...

KG has had the teamates to win big with even if not to win a le...he's never done it except one time, when he had 3 AS caliber players on his team...

Not a great franchise player, not in Duncan's league...and this is without using Duncan's les.

[tophy7]

This is '04, when the supporting cast was about equal talant wise.


KG had 24-7-2 47 FG %
TD had 36-20-7 53 FG %

Wolves Win.


Tim played about ten more minutes than KG. Not to mention this is when the rest of the team besides the big three scored a measily 24 points. This is interesting bc this is the ONE game where Sam didn't have bruce defending him. KG gets help, tim plays big minutes, or as you KG detractors like to say, he stat padded. Bottom line is this game proves for this season that it matters more what the rest of your teamates give you.

KG had 28-10-7 44 FG %
TD had 26-8-2 33 FG %

Wolves loss

KG had 28-12-3 60 FG %
TD had 22 -10-1 40 FG %

Wolves loss

KG had 27-10-4 50 FG %
TD had 26-8-5 52 FG %

Wolves win


KG shot 49 % that year against the spurs. Timmy shot 45%.

Thats usually the best factor when two heavyweights go at it.

Didn't he come off the bench in one of those games?

[TDfan2007]

Spursdaone needs to get his facts straight and quit pretending to be a Spur's fan.

[jochhejaam]

Oh man this guy definitly has no idea what he is talking about, Tim Duncan has already suprassed any little dent that Malone left behind by accomplishing what one other player in NBA history had ever done, Two years straight being the MVP. Malone is under Tim Duncan now, just a simple fact do some research, just go to ESPN.com and look at the poll and what the analysts say. Its Duncan at number 1, then Malone, then KG.

Malone was quite a player but not winning a championship really puts a dent in his legacy. The 2 things I'll never forget about Malone are his failed attempt to win a ring with the Lakers (compliments of my own Pistons) and his "I'm huntin' little Mexican girls" comment...sad.

Sometimes it's not how you start but how you end.

[jochhejaam]

Malone's stats are way ahead of Duncan's. Garnett's are better to. Duncan is officially the most overrated player ever. If only Malone had the team but Oster starting along with B. Russell and Shandon Anderson is not enough. Look at his stats from 89-95 and Malone is clearly better.

At least have the decency to ask Kori to put your "real" favorite team in your bio., it's impossible to take you seriously with that under your user-name. And change your user-name too, that would be helpful.

Although it's obvious you're not a student of the game so it's hard to take you seriously based upon the content of your posts.

I guess that makes you a double threat...rare, but not totally unheard of...

[flipcritic]

It's pointless to argue with someone who won't listen to reason (you know who you are). No one needs to argue for Duncan's intangible superiority over KG (and I think KG is an incredible basketball player). How can you argue with all of those trophies he keeps on hoisting over his head? Until KG does it with the same frequency... case closed.

[zeleni]

sorry for sayin' this:

My is bigger then yours forum.

[kskonn]

First off there is no such thing as good assist and bad assist. They both create but Minnesota has 3 selfish players in Cassell, Sprewell, and Szerbiak and sorry ass center in Olawakandi. Garnett has to work with and they don't know how to play the game. Put him on a good team and things will be alot different like what happened to Mcgrady this year.

so just like mcgrady lost after being up on the mavericks just like he lost last year, a total choke, then no matter what team you put Garnett he would still suck in the playoffs? The more things change the more they stay the same...

[MannyIsGod]

Way to end the debate.

[Extra Stout]

History will not be kind to Kevin Garnett. Players who don't win are forgotten, no matter how great their statistics are.

KG is a stat monster. But he's always going to be saddled with the failures of his team, even though Glen Taylor and Kevin McHale are more to blame than he is.

KG should have been able to do more with the talent he had around him than he has. His teams frequently have been a mess chemistry-wise, and he has something to do with that. The supporting cast follows the lead of the superstar to a certain extent.

Tim Duncan has three championships and three Finals MVP's to go along with his two regular-season MVP's. People remember the hardware. Also, look at the 2001-02 Spurs roster, keep in mind how often David Robinson was out with back trouble, and ask yourself if KG really could have gone 58-24 with that supporting cast.

[ambchang]

1 player can't make that much of a difference for a sorry team. Ask Mcgrady.

and McGrady is the most overrated player in the NBA over the last couple of years. Questionable shot selection, suspect passing, ballhogs, can play great defense but never does, chokes like Bush on a pretzel ... oh wait, I get it, you are a fan of the chokers! Garnett, McGrady. Are Malone and Elvin Hayes your heros too? What about Nick Anderson?

[ambchang]

Both karl Malone and KG are better than Duncan.

Bingo! You ARE a fan of the choker! I was right!

[ambchang]

Malone's stats are way ahead of Duncan's. Garnett's are better to. Duncan is officially the most overrated player ever. If only Malone had the team but Oster starting along with B. Russell and Shandon Anderson is not enough. Look at his stats from 89-95 and Malone is clearly better.

This dude is enjoying himself. The thread is quite funny, reminds me how clowns do stupid things to incite laughter and attract attention.
Love this.

[Banks91]

look, the day Duncan misses the playoffs , we can talk u dumb

[Banks91]

and to me the funniest thing is Garnett should thank Duncan for playin in the qualifying and olympics the last 2 years, only reason Garnett got a chance to get a league MVP, duncan wouldve taken it 3 straight years . Now he should thank him for gettin the only hardware he can actually be remembered

[Spursdaone]

and McGrady is the most overrated player in the NBA over the last couple of years. Questionable shot selection, suspect passing, ballhogs, can play great defense but never does, chokes like Bush on a pretzel ... oh wait, I get it, you are a fan of the chokers! Garnett, McGrady. Are Malone and Elvin Hayes your heros too? What about Nick Anderson?

How is Mcgrady a choker? He always plays better in the playoffs but he has to play the whole game to keep his team in it. The longer the series goes the more tired he gets. Mcgrady has a soft center in Yao and the only good player he has on the bench is Mike James. Mcgrady is no choker. Malone choked a couple times but in his prime there was no talent around him. 2 players don't make a team and not having a center because Mohammad or Robinson>> to Ostertag in Eaton.

[ambchang]

How is Mcgrady a choker? He always plays better in the playoffs but he has to play the whole game to keep his team in it. The longer the series goes the more tired he gets. Mcgrady has a soft center in Yao and the only good player he has on the bench is Mike James. Mcgrady is no choker. Malone choked a couple times but in his prime there was no talent around him. 2 players don't make a team and not having a center because Mohammad or Robinson>> to Ostertag in Eaton.

3-1 lead over Detroit.
2-0 over Mavs.
Guess what those turned to ... and why?
Game 1 - 14 for 27 = wins
Game 2 - 10-19 = wins
Game 3 - 10-23 = loss
Game 4 - 13-26 = loss
Game 5 - 7-22 = Loss
Game 6 - 14-28 = Loss
Game 7 - 10-26 = Loss

And I looooove the fact how you just avoided players like Stockton, Jeff Malone and Jeff Hornacek. BTW, Mark Eaton was one of the best lowpost defender in league history, and made the All-Star team (once).