I love the Hawks.
So because one team drafts a guy who then decides to sign overseas, GM's are stupid?
RC is stupid? Donny Walsh? Petrie? Jerry West?
Eh???
Did any of those GMs say he was staying??
Jerry West gave Brian Cardinal a huge contract, does that make him stupid?? Temporarily yeah.
UH, ok.Okay TPark. You could just admit that you didn't know that he was a good defender and call it a day
I used to like Bob Watson. He was a good hitter. Not much of a defender if I remember correctly. Maybe T was thinking of him.
You don't think Joe Johnson qualifies as "filling out the roster"?how does getting rid of Diaw help the Hawks to fill out their roster?
He's going to be playing 40 minutes a night (at least) for Atlanta, sure beats the out of what Diaw put in.
Plus, it allows the Hawks to go after big men now they've got a stable of swing men.
Or are you in the Mr. Body camp that the Atlanta Hawks will roll with the Collins kid 48 minutes a night as their only big?
Who is Collins? Did you mean Collier?
Collins Crawford and (Insert NBADL player here) Is better than Nesterovic???Collins kid 48 minutes a night as their only big?
Interesting.... (sarcasm)
Once again, for the millionth time, people underrate the value of Rasho Nesterovic.
What the are you talking about? They're picking up Johnson, but how does getting rid of Diaw help them fill out their roster? You said it, not me. They're getting Johnson whether Diaw's part of the trade or not.
They've always had a stable of swingmen, this didn't change anything. And yes, they have to pick up a big man, I'd imagine they're going to sign Hunter (for more than he's worth, knowing the Hawks). Hunter will fit in better with a young run and gun team though. They're screwed if they go with Collins.
EDIT: Collier. Props to Kolko, I didn't even catch that.
No one said that. I love Rasho's game, even more than Nazr's. I just don't think he fits with the style of game Atlanta will play though. Put it this way, would he fit in with the Suns?
Collins, Collier, what difference does it make? Both suck.
As for the whole Johnson thing, with him taking up more minutes and becoming the focal point of the offense, one of their good but not great swingmen becomes a very tradeable commodity that can get them some front line players in return.
If Diaw is so great, why didn't they trade him for a big man all by himself? Answer: because the guy sucks.
Again, for the billionth time (as stated by myself and several others in this thread and others), Diaw is pound for pound the softest offensive player in this league.
Anyone on this board could walk out on the court and shut the guy down offensively, he's that soft. Crowd the guy and he can't wait to get rid of the ball.
I just find it humorous this notion of yours (and only yours, did you notice that?) that the Phoenix brass is sitting in a room somewhere high-fiving over getting Diaw, and how completely misguided that idea is.
So, in this thread you've said:
that Diaw was necessary to make the deal fit the CBA (that's a bunch of crap).
that the Suns wanted Diaw to clear cap space (the guy makes somewhere around a million a year).
that Diaw was untradeable, as he is being TRADED.
that getting rid of Diaw helped fill out the Hawks roster (what?).
called a guy who averages 18 minutes a game a practice squad player.
made a number of baseless accusations (where did I say Atlanta didn't need a big man? Where did I say Diaw was so great Phoenix was all excited about getting him? Nowhere have I said that Diaw was a great player. I think he's a decent bench player, something the Suns sorely needed last year).
Well, time will tell but what I mean on the roster is that the deal was done because the guy is someone Phoenix could dump after the season and someone the Hawks wanted to move to make more room for the rest of their off-season moves.that Diaw was necessary to make the deal fit the CBA (that's a bunch of crap).
The guy makes 1.3 million, and every little bit helps when you've got a tightwad owner who is staring down max contracts for Nash, Matrix, and soon to be Amare.that the Suns wanted Diaw to clear cap space (the guy makes somewhere around a million a year).
I never said the guy was untradeable, just that he wasn't someone teams desired. There's a difference between being a tradeable commodity (Joe Johnson) and being trade filler (Boris Diaw).that Diaw was untradeable, as he is being TRADED.
If you can't understand replacing someone who played 18 minutes a night and did nothing for a team with a guy who suddenly is the team's leader, best player, will play 40+ a night and be it's leading scorer, I have nothing further to say.that getting rid of Diaw helped fill out the Hawks roster (what?).
Or do you really think Diaw gave Atlanta anything near what Joe Johnson will, at either end?
Plus it makes one of their wings expendable in a trade for a big man, something they weren't going to get back for your great white hope Boris, and hence, helps fill out the roster.
Baseless accusation? You've done nothing but sound like a member of Diaw's public relations team in this thread.Where did I say Diaw was so great Phoenix was all excited about getting him?
The guy is a career 5 points, 2 assists per game guard. His offensive game is softer than Charmin'. He makes Rasho look like a bad ass.
Diaw was trade filler, kinda like getting free floor mats when you buy that new Beamer.
The crown jewel for Phoenix in this trade was the two draft picks, I just wish you'd acknowledge this instead of carrying on with your cyber hardon for some Euro scrub.
You're an idiot. Whoever let you in A&M should be fired. All I ever tried to say was that Diaw was worth something. I never said he was as valuable as Joe Johnson. I never said he was worth more than the two first rounders. I tried to say he was worth more than "a bag of chips" (to quote T Park, shudder). You're a homer, I don't know why I keep responding to this crap.
In case anyone read my post before I edited it and wondered the same thing, doofus.
Earl Watson throws the best alley-oop passes in the league too.
Actually Tpark was pretty much spot on. Not sure why you've continued the pissing match for two pages now on this.I tried to say he was worth more than "a bag of chips" (to quote T Park, shudder). You're a homer, I don't know why I keep responding to this crap.
It doesn't have anything to do with being a homer. I like the games of lots of guys not on the Spurs, that doesn't make Boris Diaw suck any less.
Call me when the guy starts averaging 10 and 5.
Actually, TPark used that phrase to describe Rasho, which just goes to show you still have no clue what the you're talking about.
Anyway, I just want to say congratulations, you win. Not the argument, because you're still a dumbass who keeps taking what I say out of context, making incorrect statements, and generally misrepresenting what I'm trying to say. But you win, I give up. This argument's not worth my time. I just want to say how cool it is though that a fellow Ag like you can start attacking me for no reason. Way to go Old Army. Adios.
Diaw was included because:
1) he relieves 1M off of ATL's cap figure this year.
2) he relieves 1M off of PHO's cap figure next summer.
I expect him to play the Bo Outlaw towel waving role very well for PHO this year.
You do realize your getting like Sequ, right? A simple non-confrontational question and you get all pissy.
Kick the dog on your way to work lately?
I've always been like me.You do realize your getting like Sequ, right?Why ask it in the first place?A simple non-confrontational question and you get all pissy.
Huh?Actually, TPark used that phrase to describe Rasho, which just goes to show you still have no clue what the you're talking about.
You quoted Tpark, I quoted you.I tried to say he was worth more than "a bag of chips" (to quote T Park, shudder).
Spare me the whoa is Old Army bull . Carry on an intelligent conversation instead of the petty, juvenile "Thanks and Gig 'em" crap you are right now.
I wasn't trying to attack you, just to take task with your assertion that Diaw is anything other than a starting caliber towel waver.
Sorry, I think I said Collins earlier in this thread and started the whole Collins/Collier error. I thought about it when I posted it, but I wasn't going to waste an edit on a Hawk
TPark, who are you talking about when you say Crawford? Chris Crawford?
I borrowed a phrase in another thread T Park used to describe Rasho.
You've been attacking me since I first posted in this thread. Read back through it, read your first reply to me. And you saying that Diaw is nothing more than a towel waver is pure homerism, because now you feel like you have to prove me wrong. Any guy that gets 18 minutes at small forward on a team with Josh Smith, Al Harrington, Josh Childress, etc. has to show some potential.
Quit making this into a fight, read what's being posted, and learn how to respond maturely.
What's immature about saying Diaw is a starting caliber towel waver?
You act like his 18 minutes a game was meaningful or somehow earned. The Hawks had a lot of garbage time to fill, and they called on Diaw to do it.
All you have to hang your hat on about Diaw is his 18 minutes per game. Here's the bigger question... If he's "good enough" to get 18 minutes on a "loaded" Hawks team, why is it he only had 5 points, 2 assists to show for it?
I can't figure out how you come to the conclusion I'm a "homer" about Diaw. Do you know what a homer is?
Actually on second thought, I'm a homer. You got me. I'm a homer for 98% of the guards in the NBA who are better than him. Guilty as charged.
You are holding up a guy who got 4.8 PPG, 2 APG in 18 minutes and falling on your sword for him. Do you realize how stupid that is?
Here's some *true* homerism for you from me (a Spurs fan)... Glenn Robinson scored more than twice as many points per game for the Spurs as Baby Jordan (Diaw) in a minute less per game.
Beno Udrih, despite playing two less minutes per game, scored two more points per game than your boy Diaw.
The Chosen One's (aka Diaw) scoring average would have been good for thirteenth on the Spurs last year, despite playing more or equal minutes to five of them.
You got me, I'm a homer. And Boris Diaw still sucks more than Jenna Jameson on set.
I'm saying Diaw is a young, foreign player with POTENTIAL who's stuck on a crappy team. He's 22 years old for crying out loud. I think Robinson's a better player right now. Quit misinterpreting and misrepresenting everything I'm saying as anything other than the fact that he's a marginal young player who might turn into something. Was Ginobili a 15-20 ppg player when he was 22? Maybe he doesn't score enough because he plays for the HAWKS. I'm sure their point guard was every bit as good as Tony, so that's a great comparison.
Your need to personally insult me every post is pathetic. I'm honestly ashamed we went to the same school.
To everyone else who wants to read about Joe Johnson going to Atlanta, sorry for hijacking your thread. Sorry, I don't respond well to insults and have trouble backing down from a fight.
I'm not misinterpreting anything.
Some guys have it, some guys don't. Diaw doesn't.
As for the personal attacks, look in the mirror pal. There was the "you're an idiot" thing, and now you've tried to pull the "Aggie" card twice.
Look, if you can't take a little ribbing when you come in here saying Diaw is anything better than a towel waver, maybe you need to stay off the message boards for a while.
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