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They're screwed if this is true. They'd better pray that Dallas doesn't swing a deal with Orlando for Finley. If they don't get Finley, they're down 400 made 3 pointers before the season starts, between losing Q and JJ.
espn's marc stein reported that the suns will trade joe johnson to the hawks for boris diaw and 2 future 1st round picks
They're screwed if this is true. They'd better pray that Dallas doesn't swing a deal with Orlando for Finley. If they don't get Finley, they're down 400 made 3 pointers before the season starts, between losing Q and JJ.
If that is true, I think Phoenix won't be as good as last year. But getting 2 future 1st round picks from ATLANTA is not bad...
Was this on ESPN News?
link?
Phoenix will be okay, a lot of those threes are a result of the system. Same reason Texas Tech quarterbacks looks so great every year. After all, how much did any of us know about Joe Johnson or Quentin Richardson before last year? They'll find someone to plug in there, especially with Atlanta's first rounders the next couple years. We all know where Atlanta's picks are in the draft order. Plus this way, they don't burn a lot of salary signing a guy who's not worth it. I like the deal for Phoenix.
it was on espnews, i was watching because of the mlb trade deadline and it just came outta nowhere
For the last time......unless some other team has an equally awful contract as Finley, to trade back to Dallas........Dallas will be unable to trade Finley. Period.
Looks like one of the picks is the one that went from the Lakers to Celtics then to Atlanta. This should help them sign Finley, free up PT and make him feel like a bigger cog in the wheel. Now Cuban has to do his part and somehow trade Finley East.
Those draft picks don't show up for a few years, and probably don't amount to much until a few years after that. Who's going to make those "system" threes next year? Finley? Maybe some of them, if they get him. Diaw? Fuggetabou . He SUCKS from beyond the arc, no matter what system you throw him in. Amare is in for a wakeup call by the name of collapsing defenses.
I thought if you were under the cap you could absorb more salary. I don't know what would be in this for Orlando (draft picks?), but I'm sure something is at least remotely possible. Cuban's been working on trade deals for a while so that he doesn't lose Finley to a contender.
Good move by Phoenix. They are loaded for the future with picks and young talent. They can still sign more to.
Those draft picks are also very tradeable, as is Diaw, in the case they can't find someone cheap this offseason. And with them not signing Johnson, they have money to sign a decent shooter. You don't need Michael Redd when all of those are transition, wide-open shots. If Atlanta throws in Salim Stoudamire, I could see him getting some PT in Phoenix.
OK, for the last time, what happens if Orlando and Dallas swap Finley and GHill? Each team then cuts their new player, and they go back to their original team, and both teams are off the hook for the lux tax payment for their original player?
I'm not sure but I think that LA pick was only protected through 10 next year and 5 the following. LA could suck the next couple of years so it could be a pretty decent pick.
And to think Phoenix balked at Johnson's demand at $50 million this summer....AND Phoenix and Johnson were reportedly ONLY $5 million apart last fall on an extension (presumeably for far less than $50 million)......I have to think Phoenix really blew this one big time. Not sure he is worth $70 million, but he is definitely worth $50 million and would have been a steal had they locked him last fall.
Thank God the Spurs didnt get stupid with Manu and Parker.
Wrong move.
Keeping Joe Johnson is a key for the Suns to win it all.
Proves again that this is indeed a players league.
I hope ESPN is wrong on this one.
Salaries don't have to match if he's traded to a team under the cap.
Diaw is not a particularly tradable asset, and if ATL were going to "throw in" Salim, I think it would have been mentioned. I still say PHO is screwed next year.
Hill is two years $31 or so million and Finley over $51 million. Orlando would be assuming a lot more salary.
Players traded now can't be cut for amnesty purposes.
And I maintain that it's better than the alternatives of resigning him or him walking. They can't afford to sign him to a $70 million contract with Amare's extension coming up. This way, they maintain salary flexibility and don't overpay for a guy who's not worth it. Be honest, Johnson's not worth that much money. Atlanta's overpaying because they're stupid. It's why they're in the cellar every year, even though they get top three picks every year. They're also now getting something out of it instead of just losing him for nothing.
Why isn't Diaw tradeable? Do you know something about him I don't? I've had to read plenty of stupid comments on here about trading Rasho for him. And the Salim comment was just an offhand comment. BUT, since none of us know anything about the deal yet and it's not final, who knows? In baseball, guys like that get thrown in as filler at the last minute all the time. I think he'd be a good fit in Phoenix.
nets will have a better record then suns
in the words of dusty
"its a lock"
Very True. My point is that no team in their right mind will trade for a 33 year old player with 3 years left on a contract making $51 million. Particularly a player that is now getting injury prone and his play is deteriorating. No team uder the cap is going tot rade for that contract and send a player or pick(s).
The ONLY way Finely will be traded is to trade him to a team that has a player with an existing bad contract. Dallas is the source about trading Finley.
Because he sucks.Why isn't Diaw tradeable?
I don't see anyone trading for Finley's albatross of a contract. But Spurs fans should get used to the idea of Finley running the three for the Suns after Cuban waives him, that seems like all but a lock with this move.
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