Manu: “I don’t remember being in anything like this in 16 years... We're terrible."

[BatManu20]

[-21-]

I don't understand all the people ting on Manu. He's 40 years old, of course he's gonna play like a washed up scrub a lot of times. Pop is the one over-relying on him and tbf no one else has stepped up to take Manu's role.

This team was very poorly constructed even before the injuries. Only two legit bigs and a logjam of small guards. It doesn't help that Pop is trotting out small-ball lineups featuring a trio of 6'3" or shorter guards.

Manu just said what we're all thinking: it's very surprising that this terrible team is still 3rd in the West. With that said, this team is 3rd in the West. They've made it this far, might as well stick it out. Who knows, if they can get healthy, they still have a puncher's chance.

[SAGirl]

Penetrator/s. Kawhi's not really a penetrator, but he was getting better at it before the injuries. Spurs don't really have any on the team. They could have looked at getting one so they don't have to reply on a 40 year old Manu and an old Tony Parker to get to the rim. Having a player that could break down defenses consistently would have really helped. Instead, these guys are left passing the ball around the perimeter, just wasting time on the clock and not really getting much better shots.

Shooters. The Spurs don't really have any consistent outside shooters for Kawhi or LMA to pass the ball to when they're doubled.

They have penetrartors... Tony and Manu... old yup. I am told to shut up bc HOF talent is hard to come by. Dejounte... not good enough and has a lot of time to learn. They don’t have any dribble penetration on their primes. Ones too young/raw, the other too old.


They have shooters. Just overpaid for a 6’0” one and have two jumsphooting bigs + Davis who is another jump shooting big.

Kawhi hasn’t been playing though. Very tough to judge these guys without him.

Though some things are evident like some being washed up, others too raw still, and some contracts being overpriced.

[gambit1990]

manu isn’t even a problem, just look at his contract it’s not his fault the spurs are still relying on him so much. if the spurs wanted to move him they could do so easily this year or the next.

tony on the other hand... will be resigned to what, 3 years/$30 million?

[coachmac87]

This is what happens when you don’t have an MVP caliber player...

This is what happens when there’s false or unrealistic expectations when the measuring stick is the “Super Warriors”

[SAGirl]

thought this was funny... for the Manu fans:

[Brazil]

Penetrator/s. Kawhi's not really a penetrator, but he was getting better at it before the injuries. Spurs don't really have any on the team. They could have looked at getting one so they don't have to reply on a 40 year old Manu and an old Tony Parker to get to the rim. Having a player that could break down defenses consistently would have really helped. Instead, these guys are left passing the ball around the perimeter, just wasting time on the clock and not really getting much better shots.

Shooters. The Spurs don't really have any consistent outside shooters for Kawhi or LMA to pass the ball to when they're doubled.

yet your argument is more about quality of the players than roles...

Spurs have penetrators, they have 3 pts shooters, they have players shooting mid range... I don't how in terms of system it is detrimental to Kawhi. If the point is to say they have all that but they are not good enough it is an entire other discussion. This actual system was made to let Kawhi shine and on a lesser extend to let LMA shine too so yeah Kawhi being out is a struggle for them.

I am also puzzled by the argument system was Kawhi carrying pretty much everything so it is not a team built for Kawhi... what ?... duh yeah dat was the plan... Kawhi is a dominant force, you want him to carry and have the ball... the plan was never to count on way past his prime Parker and granpa Manu and Pau scoring 20 a game.

[Proxy]

role players playing like role players, 2nd option playing like a 1st, 1st option that can't wipe his own ass yet

what're we discussing?

[Keepin' it real]

Where do people like you live? Are you like this in your real life......the one away from the computer?

What's a computer?

[Seventyniner]

What's a computer?

I can't stand that commercial. THAT is a ing computer, kid.

[Chomag]

Lol. Someone just outed themselves as a moron that thinks speaking out against any politician and coaching his basketball team are mutually exclusive.

Butthurt much, Trumper??

Moron? OK... I'm not the one thinking I was being serious with that comment. I'm sorry but I must have hit a nerve with you, could you try lighting up a little?

[daledondale]

thought this was funny... for the Manu fans:

[TD 21]

The 2010 team was pretty bad and it didn't look like our core at the time was going to win any more les or compete for them. I think you have forgotten how bad that team was. They lost a lot of games to bad teams and struggled to beat elite teams. Honestly back then I didn't think they would ever win another championship with their current core. The team ended that year getting swept by the Suns and it looked liked it's core's best days were behind it. Trust me I remember being on this board back then and nobody believed the big 3 could ever compete for another championship. They were a lot of of people in here who thought at the time the Spurs should trade Parker for a top pick in the draft to acquire young talent. The situation back then was pretty bleak. I would say this situation is only slightly more bleak due to Kawhi's feud with the front office.

In '10, not only was Parker banged up, but the differential between their expected and actual record was 5.

I was steadfast that the core was good enough to win another championship until mid way through '14-'15, when it became clear it was over for Parker and to a lesser extent Ginobili.

Also, the hierarchy of the league was different (there was no overwhelmingly dominant team, that was going to remain so for the foreseeable future) and stylistically, they weren't behind the times.

This is different. Unless they can find a way to pull off a Walker trade now in the off season, I don't see any other feasible scenario that changes their outlook in the near future.

Wasn't that the year Parker came out and said the championship window had closed. Duncan looked like a walkiing corpse and if it wasn't for Ginobili carrying the team down the home stretch of the regular season, they would have missed the playoffs. As it was, they snuck into the 7th seed and beat Dallas in the first round before getting swept out of the playoffs by Phoenix.

Nah, think that was a few years later. Duncan wasn't the same physically from early '09 on, but he was still not only the best player on the team but on the short list of best players in the league in '10.

[cd98]

The fact that Manu is playing well and is better than the other guards we have on this roster does not mask the fact that we need a 28 year old Manu to win 50 games this year and be compe ive. We just don't have that.

[daslicer]

In '10, not only was Parker banged up, but the differential between their expected and actual record was 5.

I was steadfast that the core was good enough to win another championship until mid way through '14-'15, when it became clear it was over for Parker and to a lesser extent Ginobili.

Also, the hierarchy of the league was different (there was no overwhelmingly dominant team, that was going to remain so for the foreseeable future) and stylistically, they weren't behind the times.

This is different. Unless they can find a way to pull off a Walker trade now in the off season, I don't see any other feasible scenario that changes their outlook in the near future.

Lakers were dominant in '09 and '10 and the Spurs didn't have the size to match up with them. Also Lebron formed his first super team in the summer of '10. I don't think anybody foresaw the spurs beating them a few years down the line. The Spurs were in a ty situation in '10 that was almost equal to this situation. In the next few years they would make several moves to right the ship but no one expected it to happen the way it did with them getting Splitter,Diaw,Kawhi,Green,Mills. Those are 5 core pieces they were able to get out of nowhere. The only thing that makes this situation worse is Kawhi's feud with the front office.

Not saying the Spurs will get out of this situation like they did in '10 but for Manu to say he's never experienced something like this is pretty stupid. I remember in '10 during the Mavs series Manu saying in a postgame interview that for most of the year he didn't believe the Spurs were good enough to make the playoffs. Just another sign Manu is not just old physically but mentally.

[pad300]

what a team built around Kawhi look like in a plausible scenario in terms of FAs / trades etc... tbh ?

Assume we did go for CP3 (IMO that was worth trying), and thus owed Gasol.

Rather than sign Rudy Gay, Tyreke Evans to 3 yrs/24 million, $4 Million team option in year 3 (much more than he got from the griz). Why? Our guards are in much worse state than our bigs, and need immediate help. Tyreke has the potential to take over the Manu role... Resign David Lee if possible for a 1 year vet min. Lauvergne is signed (he was worth a look), but his 2nd year is a team option, not a player option. Look at Casspi rather than BP3.

Patty Mills is not resigned unless a lot cheaper. His signing made NO strategic sense. He is not and has never been capable of being a starting level PG; thus you cannot pay him like a starter. At most he should have gotten the MLE ($8 Million), preferable $6 M annually. Try and use him in a sign and trade (for Rubio) if he doesn't want that. Failing that, go looking for a real PG, not an undersized shooting guard


Bigs : LMA, Pau, David Lee, Lauvergne
3/4's: Bertans, Anderson, Kawhi, Casspi
SGs: , Green, Evans, Manu,
PG's : Tony, Dejounte, Forbes

PS in the draft, take Alpha Kaba at 59, and don't sign Lauvergne...
At the start of the season (Kawhi and Tony out), start LMA, Bertans, Anderson, Green, Dejounte, 2nd unit: Pau, Lee, Evans, Manu, Forbes.

[TD 21]

Lakers were dominant in '09 and '10 and the Spurs didn't have the size to match up with them. Also Lebron formed his first super team in the summer of '10. I don't think anybody foresaw the spurs beating them a few years down the line. The Spurs were in a ty situation in '10 that was almost equal to this situation. In the next few years they would make several moves to right the ship but no one expected it to happen the way it did with them getting Splitter,Diaw,Kawhi,Green,Mills. Those are 5 core pieces they were able to get out of nowhere. The only thing that makes this situation worse is Kawhi's feud with the front office.

Not saying the Spurs will get out of this situation like they did in '10 but for Manu to say he's never experienced something like this is pretty stupid. I remember in '10 during the Mavs series Manu saying in a postgame interview that for most of the year he didn't believe the Spurs were good enough to make the playoffs. Just another sign Manu is not just old physically but mentally.

Not overwhelmingly so, plus they weren't exactly young either. Spurs needed a second big and 3 and D wing, but they had Splitter waiting in the wings and the latter was far more attainable than what they currently need. I never viewed Lakers or Heat as out of reach and repeatedly predicted that if/when they got back to the Finals, they'd beat the latter.

I get where Ginobili is coming from and feel the exact same way.

[Pocho La Pantera]

News flash for ST posters...

1- A team entirely built around one player is playing like crap because that player did not play any relevant minutes yet
2- It is hard to replace HOFers Manu freaking Ginobili and Tony Parker and it is going to take time... duh
3- Spurs sans Kawhi stands no chance against Houston and GSW... duh
4- Spurs remain a small market team that cannot attract the Kevin Durants of the league... duh

except for that anything new ?

you duh me all you want, but some ty posters round here bang them all the time since 2004.

[Keepin' it real]

I can't stand that commercial. THAT is a ing computer, kid.

Yeah, I wanna throw my remote at the tv every time that troll appears.

[pgardn]

Pop and his big turn Left has ruined the team.
Blame Trump.


Thats the ticket...

[BatManu20]

If it makes anyone feel any better, Utah just blew out the Pels in NOLA for their 6th straight win and 7th win out of their last 8 games. They're the hottest team in the league right now.

[spurs10]

thought this was funny... for the Manu fans:

Okay SAGirl this just made my day!

[spurs10]

If it makes anyone feel any better, Utah just blew out the Pels in NOLA for their 6th straight win and 7th win out of their last 8 games. They're the hottest team in the league right now.

It makes feel a little better....as did Philly winning the Super Bowl!

[Slippy]

role players playing like role players, 2nd option playing like a 1st, 1st option that can't wipe his own ass yet

[gambit1990]