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    Can Kawhi wipe his own ass yet or nah

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    Can Kawhi wipe his own ass yet or nah
    Who cares? Hes a durbeta

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    - I didn't so much learn this as it became even more apparent: they need to get with the times. They should look no further than the Raptors, who made no significant personnel changes, yet went to another level by increasing the pace, ball movement and 3s. On paper, they didn't have the greatest personnel for at least the last 2 things either.

    This team plays a style that lends itself to little margin for error, which is crippling against the Warriors and Rockets, who can out star them to begin with.


    This is my list, feel free to share yours:
    I'd rather pick apart yours.

    - Betting on Leonard as the franchise has backfired mightily.

    It's not that he isn't talented, he is. Even if everything eventually works out ok, there's always going to be lingering questions of what transpired, and that's without entering into the realm of how LMA fits in that picture. I don't hate Leonard, and obviously, until more details come to light we won't know for sure, but it's clear PATFO bet the future on him, and now there's a big black cloud over that gamble and the direction of the franchise. The good news is...
    As if they had a choice, with what was less than a year ago the consensus 3rd or 4th best player in the league.

    - Tony Parker is done

    I know I use my Parker schtick all the time, but this one is honest. Look, I think he would be a great mentor to Murray, but at what cost? He came back from a horrible injury, that most professional athletes have a tough time coming back from, so it's not that I'm faulting him, he just doesn't seem to have anything left in the tank, and it appears that the Spurs have moved on. It's possible that if Manu retires, he gets a bigger leading role off the bench, and maybe adjusts, but again, what's that gamble going to cost? Talking about cost...
    He's not going to cost much because the Spurs have all the leverage. He's a veteran's minimum type, who'd have little to no outside interest. They obviously won't give him the veteran's minimum out of respect, but something like $5M is probably the max and as much as that might sound like, it's not much more than half of what will be the league average next season.

    Even minutes wise, there probably won't be much of a cost. It seems like the back court will be: Mills, Murray, Parker, White, Forbes, Paul. White probably claims the fourth rotation spot, leaving Forbes and Paul, two fringe players, on the deep bench. Not exactly a travesty.

    - The Anderson project was a failure

    Sorry SAGirl. I have to look at this from the point that the Spurs spent 4 years trying to get the best Kyle Anderson possible, with a shooting coach, etc, and the guy's ceiling appears to be 8/8, and that's being generous. Can't shoot, he won't ever get over his lack of speed and athleticism, on an athletic league. He's a middle of the pack bench player (again, I'm being generous here). He's still hesitant, he doesn't seemingly has any kind of fire, etc. He made sense on a cheap deal as roster filler, but now we gotta pay, and maybe it's time to start a new project with hopefully more upside. Maybe...
    It comes down to the 3. He needs to embrace it and quicken his release. Without it, he's an awkward fit (not good enough with the ball to be ball dominant and useless without it). Either way, he's their type, so he's not going anywhere.

    - Like Green, but he is showing his age

    He's always been the definition of 3&D, but when you're not excelling at either, well, it's a problem. I like him because he seemed to work on his game the last few summers, trying to improve his playmaking. It's a shame it didn't work out, sometimes you simply don't have the talent for those things. I don't mind the numbers on his current deal, but you would think his next deal would be for less money if he keeps this up? Is he even starter material at this level? Again, the guard position is possibly one of the most important positions in today's NBA which leads us to...
    He still rates as one of the best perimeter defenders in the league but his 3 going from elite to average the past 3 seasons is one of the most inexplicable things I can remember seeing. Still think he's a starter in the right context (next to two dynamic perimeter players), the likes of which this team no longer possesses.

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    You think the Sixers' future isn't substantially brighter than the Spurs' with Simmons, Embiid, and Fultz? Simmons is the best rookie I have seen since LeBron. And get out of here with that much weaker conference talk when Philly traded Iggy. You're going to tell me you'd take today's Rockets or Golden State with a gimpy Curry over the 66 win Heat le team? This year's West is top heavy with Houston and Golden State, but teams 3-8 are enormous steps down in talent with Kawhi out and with Durant and CP3 departed from former contenders and leaving them in shambles. This isn't the west of a couple of years ago when you have 4-5 teams that could win a le.

    Also I doubt Aldridge has the work ethic of Duncan to remain a bigtime player into his late 30s. I don't see where the Spurs' bright future retooling around Aldridge comes from if Kawhi is gone and they trade him for two quarters on the dollar. I don't get your point with the Kings; the Spurs aren't run by morons who blow great picks on crap like Jimmer and Stauskas. And spoiled by winning? I was following this team when it was starting Wes Matthews and David Greenwood and the team's future was Alfrederick Hughes. I'm not a championship or bust fan but I'd like to see the Spurs making moves to give them a chance to have a window of contention. With how superstar dominant this sport is, unless they can retain their superstar they need to be swinging for the fences in the draft and hope they can find another.
    Embiid has yet to play a full season without getting hurt. Tell me why I should think this guy is anything but Blake 2.0? Do I really even need to talk about Fultz? Simmons is damn good though, and I agree with you that he is the best since Lebron, but the pieces around him are far from sure things. I said the Sixers are in a better spot talentwise than the Spurs, but they're about to have some big ass decisions come up and they have an injury prone big man who's going to have to be extended soon.

    I dont think you can reasonable argue that the East isn't far worse than the West this year, or back during the time of the Heat either. A full 10th of your games out west are against the 2 best teams in the league, and the 8th place team in the 6-8 teams out East woudln't even make the playoffs out West. Back during the Heat, the East had sub 500 teams making the playoffs. Whether or not the teams below Houston and GS are true contendors, they are certainly much better than the teams out East.

    Being run by morons or not, you need a certain amount of luck too. How many more Manu's in the 2nd have the Spurs picked since him? How many more Tony Parkers have they drafted since then? The Spurs generally draft as well or better than anyone else in the league, but you seem to think that is a sure thing while pointing out all the flaws with building around Aldridge. After the season he's put together, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

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    I'll bet you that over the next 3 years, the Spurs win more games than the 76ers.

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    I'll bet you that over the next 3 years, the Spurs win more games than the 76ers.
    Sorry man, I stopped betting on sports after losing money on Fisher's 0.4 shot. Nothing to make the (then) most crushing loss in franchise history feel worse than losing money on it too.

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    I'll bet you that over the next 3 years, the Spurs win more games than the 76ers.
    I'm as big a Spurs homer as you get, but this prediction is BOLD.

    I'd like to hear why you think this, given the trendline, age, level and quan y of star players for both teams.

    I might be more willing to agree with you if I could travel into the future and have the following questions answered.

    1. Is Kawhi still a Spur
    2. Did he play at least 75 games per year.

    Reminder, he's never made that number even once before in a season...yet another reason why your scenario seems overly rosy.

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    I didn't mean like an actual bet I just meant it like a phrase. We'll see how it works out.

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    It comes down to the 3. He needs to embrace it and quicken his release. Without it, he's an awkward fit (not good enough with the ball to be ball dominant and useless without it). Either way, he's their type, so he's not going anywhere.
    we've been waiting on this his whole career.

    How long do we need to wait to see him not hesitate the 3 or attack a hard close out?

    It just isn't gonna happen on a spurs team.

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    stop saying look

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    Do you really believe LMA would score +23 ppg this season if he wouldn't get +18 FGAs per game?

    LMA wanted to be traded because he didn't feel comfortable how Pop "used" him...in a season where he didn't even fight for offensive rebounds.

    Do you really think if LMA has to share his "touches" with a top scorer like Kawhi/Lillard/whoever, he would have this type of season?

    Like it or not, he only feels comfortable as the main guy.

    The Spurs aren't the Warriors, they don't have plenty of possessions to give the #2 option on the team 18 FGAs...

    If you tell LMA he won't be #1 option because his teammate is a better player, more versatile scorer...He'll demand a trade like he already did in the past.

    Also "Kawhi was full Kawhiso" last season, meant only 12% fq of his time on court. Pretty much like KD in Warriors ball movement last season.

    I don't think LMA would've had this season last year but we've seen them both post monster numbers while spliting the offensive load more evenly, mainly in their 1st season playing together;

    February 2016-

    Kawhi- 15.7 FGA, 22.8 PPG, 54 %
    LaMarcus-14.6 FGA, 20.5 PPG, 51.7 FG%
    = 30.3 FGA, 43.3 PPG

    March 2016-
    Kawhi-17.4 FGA, 22.9 PPG, 50%
    LaMarcus- 13 FGA, 22.6 PPG, 56.3% FGA%
    =30.4 FGA, 45.5 PPG.

    Those numbers were back when they were still relatively low usage players for number one and two options , Kawhi around 27% and LaMarcus around 26% but those numbers show that they can and have worked together to be effiecent first and second options.


    Instead, I continue to see the same thing in highlights and when they actually play together in games. LMA spots up in the corner while Gasol sets screens for Kawhi. Pop should've been running LMA and Kawhi pick and roll/ pops with Gasol spotting up for corner 3's.

    Next season- assuming Kawhi is healthy, Pop needs to commit to establishing a two man game between the two, the best way is for LMA to start at the 5 and a have a spaced floor around them.

    When Aldridge posts, Leonard, Green and whomever starts at the four -but probably not Anderson- draws help defense away. When they run P&R together teams aren't likely to switch and if they do then Kawhi gets a mismatch on a big and or LMA gets a mismatch on a wing creating problems that they can exploit.

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