but you would never have a discussion about abortion rights and characterize the act as decapitating/mutilating/slaughtering babies
nono was talking about how they deal with kids, not an adult. you then said "thats not whats happening" and started talking about situations with adults
they dont put kids on puberty blockers on day 1
people pretend their objection is "what about the kids
So when do they start chemically castrating the kids? Enlighten me.nono was talking about how they deal with kids, not an adult. you then said "thats not whats happening" and started talking about situations with adults
they dont put kids on puberty blockers on day 1
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same time they treat their prostate cancer
When it comes to kids, there's a lot of other things surrounding them, like school counseling, which do their own referring to professionals or discuss with parents.
This is why I doubt it's the norm, but again, I wouldn't doubt there are some cases like you describe.
Giving teenage boys puberty blockers fits the medical definition of what chemical castration is, like it or not.
They're being given Lupron to block the production of testosterone, that's the literal definition of chemical castration.
Fun fact - the founding father of gender ideology was a guy named John Money who experimented on twins (both of whom eventually committed suicide from the psychological trauma he inflicted on them) and had them simulate sex acts on each other.
Reminds me of a certain Nazi scientist who did deranged studies on twins...only difference is that gender activists don't try to inflate his credibility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money
im honestly not concerned with the word used to define it. if they are generally safe for use to the point where they've done enough clinical trials to authorize it for use for people of a certain age, i'm not going to get in the way of the medical profession doing their job. as far as i'm aware, the puberty blocking effect is reversible. is there a risk for adverse effects? sure, same with any medication or treatment. but if the flipside is having somebody go through puberty in a way thats going to cause even more psychological trauma to the point of driving them closer to suicide, then perhaps thats something the medical professions should also considerGiving teenage boys puberty blockers fits the medical definition of what chemical castration is, like it or not.
They're being given Lupron to block the production of testosterone, that's the literal definition of chemical castration.
yes and one of the guys behind mRNA vaccine technology said that covid vaccines are bad. and an early abortion activist was also a raging racist. this is truly conserva level stuff you're bringing to the table. i think you'd enjoy some good dinesh dsouza do entaries while you're on this binge tooFun fact - the founding father of gender ideology was a guy named John Money who experimented on twins (both of whom eventually committed suicide from the psychological trauma he inflicted on them) and had them simulate sex acts on each other.
Reminds me of a certain Nazi scientist who did deranged studies on twins...only difference is that gender activists don't try to inflate his credibility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money
hmm heres a course of treatment/therapy which is generally shown to help people
YEAH BUT this one guy decades ago ago forced his patients to perform sexual acts on one another and traumatized them so its all bull
jesus christ... actual TDS
It's generally shown to help people because you say so
no, according to medical professionals in their fields of expertiseIt's generally shown to help people because you say so
One of many guys behind the technology and one of many early abortion activists...Money is the guy who wrote the playbook on gender ideology.
Just curious, what percentage of the population do you think is legitimately trans?
Sure, medical professionals making $70k/pop on every kid who gets affirmation treatment.
I miss the era when liberals were skeptical of Big Pharma's profit motive.
nevertheless, its a basic genetic fallacy
isaac newton believed in alchemy and literally has more written work on biblical prophecy than physics but we dont use that as justification to on entire fields of discipline based on his work in physics?
what percentage? if i know. probably very low. i can google it just as well as you
I went ahead and read that study and in it they conclude thisthats just... not true at all
https://fenwayhealth.org/new-study-s...idal-ideation/
"It found that transgender people who had received one or more gender-affirming surgical procedures had a 42% reduction in the odds of experiencing past-month psychological distress, a 35% reduction in the odds of past-year tobacco smoking, and a 44% reduction in the odds of past-year suicidal ideation."
but yes there was this one paper from sweden years ago that people point to even though the lead author has said that their data has been constantly misrepresented and the study explicit said it was not an attempt to measure efficacy of treatment. not to mention, that study wasnt comparing pre-op transgenders to post-op trasngenders, it was comparing post-op transgenders to cis-gendered people. nobody ever said bottom surgery completely eliminates the suicidality gap between trans and cis people.
there are two main components why transgender people have increased suicide risk. one is the internal psychological/mental distress they feel internally. the other is outside pressure/stigma. its for that reason that the #1 factor that decreases suicide risk among trans people is not surgery, but strong family support
I mean based off that picture 3 out of 10 instead of 6 out of 10 still contemplate suicide, and an almost negligible difference actually attempt it
By that logic you could prescibe a kid valium if he comes in with a headache, antibiotics to treat a anxiety, and put them in a cast to treat their ashtma. And by your definition that's not nonstandard.
this is a big red herring
the discussion is whether the treatments are proven to work, not whether there are individual physicians that make unethical decisions.
the former is based on clinical trials, retroactive studies, etc. if a preponderance of the literature in the field said these treatments are ineffective or net harmful, i'd have a different opinion on things. just being vaguely conspiratorial doesnt do it for me, tbh
You could, but I would recommend you start sending your kid to a different doctor, tbh...
is it nonstandard?
But anyways, pun aside, there's plenty of medicines with dual or more purposes, and are clinically proven to work for different diagnoses.
To mention a recent case, take GLP-1 agonists which were originally developed to treat diabetes, but now it's use is being expanded also as a weight loss drug.
Some pharma companies are simply rebranding them, but it's the same exact drug a doctor can prescribe for either condition.
right, and decreases across the board for this with gender affirming surgery. the fact that there is still a heightened suicidality compared to the cis population is not unexpected at all. specifically addressed the same in the post you replied toI went ahead and read that study and in it they conclude this
I mean based off that picture 3 out of 10 instead of 6 out of 10 still contemplate suicide, and an almost negligible difference actually attempt it
weird that you say the suicide attempt difference was negligible when just looking at the chart they appear to have been more than halved from ~10% to ~3-4% (eyeballing the bar... dont see the actual figure). and just because one doesnt actually attempt suicide, having thoughts about it alone is deeply disturbing to the point where its good to be addressed
thats just... not true at all
https://fenwayhealth.org/new-study-s...idal-ideation/
"It found that transgender people who had received one or more gender-affirming surgical procedures had a 42% reduction in the odds of experiencing past-month psychological distress, a 35% reduction in the odds of past-year tobacco smoking, and a 44% reduction in the odds of past-year suicidal ideation."
but yes there was this one paper from sweden years ago that people point to even though the lead author has said that their data has been constantly misrepresented and the study explicit said it was not an attempt to measure efficacy of treatment. not to mention, that study wasnt comparing pre-op transgenders to post-op trasngenders, it was comparing post-op transgenders to cis-gendered people. nobody ever said bottom surgery completely eliminates the suicidality gap between trans and cis people.
there are two main components why transgender people have increased suicide risk. one is the internal psychological/mental distress they feel internally. the other is outside pressure/stigma. its for that reason that the #1 factor that decreases suicide risk among trans people is not surgery, but strong family support
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Your examples are, because there's no medical literature that claims valium heals headaches or a cast treats asthma.
and no medical literature has been done to for long term effects on these drugs on healthy prepubescents, I can't find any actual trials that have measured long term effects of these drugs on healthy children.
5% is negligible in most statistics studies, that's why i said nearlyright, and decreases across the board for this with gender affirming surgery. the fact that there is still a heightened suicidality compared to the cis population is not unexpected at all. specifically addressed the same in the post you replied to
weird that you say the suicide attempt difference was negligible when just looking at the chart they appear to have been more than halved from ~10% to ~3-4% (eyeballing the bar... dont see the actual figure). and just because one doesnt actually attempt suicide, having thoughts about it alone is deeply disturbing to the point where its good to be addressed
a 5% drop would be going from 10% to 9.5%
going from 10% to 5% is a 50% reduction. far from insigificant
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