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    I think you would like the idea more if the pieces were shifted a bit. If I was negotiating a deal with Dallas, I think I would try to include bad contracts based on the idea that it doesn't hurt them if they tank next year but it hurts us if we're trying to add free agents. If I could get away with it, I would also emphasize adding second round picks in lieu of another first round pick on the rationalization that we have a glut (we have our own + 11 extra second round picks) while Dallas has a shortage (1 total second round pick in the next 7 drafts).

    San Antonio receives: Luka Doncic

    Dallas receives: Keldon Johnson, Khem Birch, Devonte Graham, 3 first round picks including this year's (assuming not top 2), 4 second round picks
    I think Dallas probably needs at least one more FRP here, even if the 3 you add are unprotected, maybe the CHI pick is the extra needed.

    In this hypothetical dream scenario that won’t happen anyway, I’d like to keep this year’s pick and give them next years, even if it is a pick that eventually becomes Cam Whitmore or Anthony Black. Would certainly be nice to keep Devin, but I think Dallas is going to want him in this fantasy land deal of mine.

    In any event, there is about a 0% chance that is even an opportunity to have this conversation with Dallas, just fun to play with.

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    It’s not homerism. Spurs with Luka > Dallas with Luka.
    You claimed "the Spurs are better than a lot of teams", after they just recorded a historically awful defense (by rating, it's the worst ever but the best way to truly determine that is relative to league average during that season) and point differential.

    They're also the only team without a current or projected future offensive centerpiece.

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    Call me crazy, but I wouldn't do it. It forces the Spurs to go into win now mode, will likely burn our assets and push the rookies timeline, and probably won't be enough to retain Luka in a couple of years when his contract expires. Those blockbusters need a very tight alignment of cir stances and we're not ready yet.
    I hear ya, but in this scenario, we still have whoever we draft this year, TOR’s FRP next year (Assuming it conveys), the CHA pick which may or may not convey, and our pick picks from 2025 on.

    Starting line up, depending on how the lotto goes:

    Luka
    Bran
    Cam Whitmore
    Sochan
    Zack

    Hmmm… maybe you’re right this isn’t that great lol.

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    I think Dallas probably needs at least one more FRP here, even if the 3 you add are unprotected, maybe the CHI pick is the extra needed.

    In this hypothetical dream scenario that won’t happen anyway, I’d like to keep this year’s pick and give them next years, even if it is a pick that eventually becomes Cam Whitmore or Anthony Black. Would certainly be nice to keep Devin, but I think Dallas is going to want him in this fantasy land deal of mine.

    In any event, there is about a 0% chance that is even an opportunity to have this conversation with Dallas, just fun to play with.
    It's certainly a fantasy of Luka coming here, but the Mavs are more likely than not to trade him in the next 15 months.

    Regarding my hypothetical deal, I was working on the assumption that this year's pick would be valuable enough to avoid adding a fourth pick or other young guys, but if you have to add another asset, then so be it. The trade's framework is built around the strategy of pushing the payroll way down so you can add 2-3 solid free agents that fit in a 'win now' roster. Resign Tre Jones last so you can take advantage of his low cap hold to go above the salary cap. Give Devin his extension that kicks in for the 24-25 season, which benefits by not impeding free agent signing for this summer.
    Last edited by Stump; 04-09-2023 at 06:17 PM.

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    We draft well……..

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    We draft well……..
    doesn't mean anything when you draft the top 5. develop well? yeah that's what will keep us from being OKC or Houston.

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    You claimed "the Spurs are better than a lot of teams", after they just recorded a historically awful defense (by rating, it's the worst ever but the best way to truly determine that is relative to league average during that season) and point differential.

    They're also the only team without a current or projected future offensive centerpiece.
    For clarification: what I meant was Sa is better than a lot of teams if they had their offensive engine (they don’t). Like in my example, Sa would be better than Dallas with Luka if you put Luka on this team.

    But obviously Sa needs to land that guy.

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    Hey guys, when will the tie-breaker be determined with the Rockets?
    Rockets have the better divisional record, so they own the tiebreaker. (They tied head-to-head.)

    Or is it completely different for draft lottery purposes?

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    Rockets have the better divisional record, so they own the tiebreaker. (They tied head-to-head.)

    Or is it completely different for draft lottery purposes?
    According to Tankathon, the tiebreaker will be determined at the end of the season (no date given) via random drawing.

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    According to Tankathon, the tiebreaker will be determined at the end of the season (no date given) via random drawing.
    Last year the tiebreakers were made a week after the end of the regular season.

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    I hear ya, but in this scenario, we still have whoever we draft this year, TOR’s FRP next year (Assuming it conveys), the CHA pick which may or may not convey, and our pick picks from 2025 on.

    Starting line up, depending on how the lotto goes:

    Luka
    Bran
    Cam Whitmore
    Sochan
    Zack

    Hmmm… maybe you’re right this isn’t that great lol.
    In terms of value it isn't unfair at all, but if we're going all in you can't let go of the only ready now viable backcourt partner to Luka. Also, Malaki and Luka might be the single worst defensive backcourt in NBA history, they'd have to score at least 30 a piece each game just to break even. Again, I think it's not an unfair trade, but it would take enough that it would cease to make sense for us IMO.
    I think you would like the idea more if the pieces were shifted a bit. If I was negotiating a deal with Dallas, I think I would try to include bad contracts based on the idea that it doesn't hurt them if they tank next year but it hurts us if we're trying to add free agents. If I could get away with it, I would also emphasize adding second round picks in lieu of another first round pick on the rationalization that we have a glut (we have our own + 11 extra second round picks) while Dallas has a shortage (1 total second round pick in the next 7 drafts).

    San Antonio receives: Luka Doncic

    Dallas receives: Keldon Johnson, Khem Birch, Devonte Graham, 3 first round picks including this year's (assuming not top 2), 4 second round picks
    This one you have to take, because you keep Vassell who's your immediate second option. I'd be willing to include #2 pick as well, because if you trade for Luka a known quan y like Vassell would be preferable to an unknown like Brandon Miller or a bad fit like Scoot. That should lower the price. And the 2nd rounders is a nice touch, they're starving and we're overflowing with them. I don't think Dallas bites, though. Probably you need one more pick like in scott's scenario (at least), and someone is surely going to offer more than reasonable for Luka. Nice tries from the both of you, though.

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    According to Tankathon, the tiebreaker will be determined at the end of the season (no date given) via random drawing.
    That's weird. Why don't they just use the same tiebreak criteria they use for the standings?

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