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    LOL yall really haven’t been watching Bullock if you think he’s a solid 3 and D anymore.

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    Spurs basically traded Josh Richardson for Bullock + Unprotected 1st swap. It’s a no brainer low risk all upside deal.

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    I haven't confirmed it but it has to be, right? The Spurs would't be trading away second round picks for a second round pick.
    That was my first impression. Makes no sense to trade a bunch of 2nds for a single 2nd swap but I have yet to see that it’s actually a confirmed 1st.

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    From a Mavs fan thank you my Texas brothers. Thanks for helping the Mavs get better. We need to win with luka and kyrie. Y’all can win in 2032
    Luka and... Kyrie?
    ha ha ha... Ha ha hahahaha... HA! HA HAHAHAHAAAA! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

    Oh my goodness. Thank you.

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    Mavs got rid of trash ass bullock for 1st pick swap? And spurs fans think they won trade???? Mavs easily won this lol. Nico is turning into a master deal maker. I would have traded bullock for a bag chips. That dude sucks bad. Barely scores. D is overrated. Basically out there running for cardio.

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    It's confusing to me. These two teams needed the Spurs to do this deal. Bullock isn't much of a player, so it seems like SAS thought taking on salary to help these teams + a possibility of moving up some in the draft seven years from now is worth four SRPs?

    It seems like they gave in too much.
    IMO:

    For sure - I think a lot will feel like you. I wont say its something to rave about per se but I look it a few ways:

    1)We have SO many 2nds. Think of it this way: Would you trade Josh Richardson for Bullock + unprotected 1st swap? Absolutely right? That’s what Sa just did

    2) It’s like buying lotto tickets. If you have plenty of money and you buy a few tickets with pocket money for fun? Then its fun and all upside and no downside. If you are buying lotto tickets trying to pay your rent you are in big trouble….

    3) Bullock is not just some throw away player like Cedi. He’s shoots well can play a little Defense and should be able to recoup some of what Sa gave up too which makes it even better IF SA does trade him

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    LOL yall really haven’t been watching Bullock if you think he’s a solid 3 and D anymore.
    You really haven't been watching Luka and Kyrie to think they're going anywhere before one of them creates a planetary implosion.

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    a 2030 1st for grant benched williams LOL

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    Potentially, we give up four seconds for nothing. Potentially, we gave up 4 seconds to move up 20 spots in the draft.

    Ideally, there's language on that does the equivalent of "The Spurs may exercise the right to swap picks in the 2030 first round, or receive a future Dallas second round pick" which would mitigate the downside, but it's a smart gamble. Upside is hugely valuable, particularly if Luka has gone.

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    IMO:

    For sure - I think a lot will feel like you. I wont say its something to rave about per se but I look it a few ways:

    1)We have SO many 2nds. Think of it this way: Would you trade Josh Richardson for Bullock + unprotected 1st swap? Absolutely right? That’s what Sa just did

    2) It’s like buying lotto tickets. If you have plenty of money and you buy a few tickets with pocket money for fun? Then its fun and all upside and no downside. If you are buying lotto tickets trying to pay your rent you are in big trouble….

    3) Bullock is not just some throw away player like Cedi. He’s shoots well can play a little Defense and should be able to recoup some of what Sa gave up too which makes it even better IF SA does trade him
    Yeah, I'm cool with it. My mistake in thinking the swap was with Boston confused me about how the entire deal shook out. I think Bullock is looking kind of cooked; Osman may actually be better at this point. I'm not sure we're keeping both anyway.

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    ESPN reporting it’s a 1st. This forum has me groomed to expect the worst.

    San Antonio will receive forward Reggie Bullock and an unprotected first-round pick swap in 2030 from Dallas, while both the Celtics -- Williams' former team -- and the Mavericks will receive two second-round picks, sources said.

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    I'm not huge on swaps, but that's not really what I'm getting at. I'm not sure how the trade as a whole shakes out the way it is. And, yeah, I'm not sure why the Spurs had to throw in four seconds to facilitate a trade for two other teams. They're taking on 10 million of basically useless salary to grease the wheels for Dallas. I guess I see it, and then Boston gets a decent exception. I don't know why Dallas gets two seconds from the Spurs and it still feels like the Spurs are paying for everyone's dinner.
    Boston needed compensation and Dallas didn't have any 2nds to trade I believe. Here come the Spurs with cap space and 20 seconds at their disposal, to give Boston a little incentive to do a S&T. The Spurs consolidated 4 low quality picks into an unprotected '30 swap (that may be gold by then) and took a 10M expiring of a player who may be flipped at the deadline. Don't be surprised if he brings ups a couple 2nds himself. GREAT TRADE.

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    Like everyone else, I think this is a good trade, but I don't see it as some amazing move like other people on this thread do. The 2030 pick swap isn't risk-free; it's not a given that we will finish above Dallas in the standings by then, so it's possible we essentially gave up 4 second rounders for Reggie Bullock and nothing else.

    Again, I think this is a good trade and I would definitely do it 10 times out of 10, but it's not some kind of miracle move.

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    I’ll just leave this here. Luka was feeding this guy the most wide open “check the wind” threes nonstop all season, and he was still under 40%.


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    Aaaahhhh.

    Okay, nevermind all the crap I've been saying. Now I'm not sure why we sent two seconds to Boston.
    I'm thinking to make the swap unprotected.

    Oh wait, you said Boston.

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    Sochan, McDermott, Vassell at the 3. Choose one. Even if it is me playing SF, you have to trade Keldon in a hearbeat if there's a good trade to be had for the Spurs.
    sochan played like 97% of minutes minutes at the 4 per bball ref

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    You really haven't been watching Luka and Kyrie to think they're going anywhere before one of them creates a planetary implosion.
    You haven’t been watching the NBA in the last 50 years if you think some stick skinny 7+ footer is getting 5 years in without debilitating foot injuries.

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    Wemby's prime

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    Hard disagree. Who would rather have that Charlotte pick instead of that Hawks swap? It would have be super lightly protected to be close to the same value, IMO.

    Unprotected firsts are the gold standard of trade assets. Unprotected swaps aren't quite as good but they're damn good in their own right.

    Seconds have such a low hit rate that you'd come out ahead trading like ten second round picks for an unprotected pick swap.

    Trading four second rounders for Bullock and an unprotected first round pick swap is still a ground slam.
    Unprotected firsts are the gold standard. Swaps are not the same. What they do is enhance the Spurs' own unprotected pick that year. A protected pick is a discrete asset a team can trade in both big deals and small. You can turn a protected pick into a swap, albeit a weaker swap than what you're talking about. But you can't go the other way. So any trade involving that swap is going to be much riskier.

    But yes, obviously there are protections that can be placed on a pick that would prevent it from having much value at all. Like a heavily protected first that immediately extinguishes may be less valuable than a second-rounder. The Charlotte first is a heavily protected pick from a likely lottery team. It has mediocre (though real) value. The Chicago pick is moderately protected and is much likelier to convey. I'd rather than that than an unprotected swap for the same year. It doesn't have the same highs, but a Spurs team looking to make moves can use the Chicago first to get things done, whereas there are very few possible deals where trading the Spurs unprotected 2025 first with swap rights to Chicago is warranted.

    I consider swaps to be more of a e to be added on top of a trade than the main value. Having three straight years of Atlanta's future is why the swap was valuable. Having the chance to swap with basically any Boston pick in 2028 is just a sweetener, with the pick in 2022 being the main course. With no future years of conveyance, the Dallas swap may be better than a one-and-done protected Dallas first. But it's close, and it would be entirely up to the protections from my point of view.

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    You haven’t been watching the NBA in the last 50 years if you think some stick skinny 7+ footer is getting 5 years in without debilitating foot injuries.
    Guess we'll see what happens first, won't we?
    I have my bet on fat boy and flat-earther getting Cuban to destroy your team first.
    I mean even worse than he has.

    They were doing so well before, like right?
    Play-ins and shiznozz... and then it's implosion!
    Gots to admit to tanking games in public to save that 10th pick.
    Have to do it.

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    sochan played like 97% of minutes minutes at the 4 per bball ref
    This is just wrong tbh. It’s all how the data is written in the database. My guess is they have KBD listed as SF and assumed Sochan played PF because of that. Majority of the time Sochan was on the floor with KBD, he was guarding the smaller forward.

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    Yep, the pick swap is an unprotected first rounder from the Mavs in 2030.

    Damn good deal

    The Spurs literally had 20 second round picks at last count. To turn four of them into an unprotected first pick swap is awesome.

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    ESPN reporting it’s a 1st. This forum has me groomed to expect the worst.
    Same, I've been digging through the thread for confirmation but this should basically seal it.

    Unprotected first swap and an asset for a few second picks....sign me the up!

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    Only reason spurs did this is cause expiring but bullock is straight trash. Horrible player. Sure he might get lucky and hot from 3 every 15th game but other 14. Trash. So happy Mavs got rid that clown.

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    Who gives a about 2nd rounders when they have like 30 left?
    the last time we had a premium SRP in a deep draft, it was about 2 weeks ago and we dealt it for 2 distant future SRPs

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