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Udrih > Parker gems.
If Ginobili was the fantastic best player in the NBA without Duncan.
How come the Spurs lost the top spot in the west to Phoenix when Duncan got hurt at the end of the year?
How come Ginobili didn't lead them to the "same" or "better" record??
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I was the one who posted that statement to further prove my point that Manu is a great player in his own right. I never meant to imply Manu is better than Tim. I'm a Manu homer but not a blind fool.
I have stated many times, and I can post the quotes if you want me to, that TD does make Manu better. That does not mean that Manu cannot do most of what he does if he were playing with other bigs in the NBA. And it certainly does not mean Manu is not an All Star caliber player, in his own right. Denying that is being a blind fool (which at this point I have to assume you are)
He has proven he can be amazing without Tim (unfortunately for my argumentative line, outside the NBA) and my quote was simply stating one of the occasions he did it without Tim, which happened to be against Tim.
So again, you twist the truth. Arguing with you is definitely worst than arguing with my wife
You said earlier that Manu could be such a player with Chris Mihm. Without Tim, Manu is not in the postseason. Manu also does not have a player who makes the game so easy for him. Right now Manu is a borderline All-Star with TD.
And what was the context? It was in a game which deemphasizes the importance of a low post game. Not the NBA.He has proven he can be amazing without Tim (unfortunately for my argumentative line, outside the NBA) and my quote was simply stating one of the occasions he did it without Tim, which happened to be against Tim.
I twisted nothing.So again, you twist the truth. Arguing with you is definitely worst than arguing with my wife
Haven't we covered this ground already. NOBODY is stating that Manu is better than TD, just that he's a clutch player . That's all.
Well, someone did, so now we have to move back to the fact that TD gives Manu the opportunity to make clutch plays.
Again with the "someone"
Peter, what is your goal in this conversation? Is it to get someone to say that TD is important to the Spurs? People have said that. That TD is the most important part of the Spurs? People have said that. What outcome would satisfy you here?
You making fun of posters is funny in itself. Your most memorable line in ST.com is "This team stop caring. I quit". That team won the championship, you basketball expert, you.
I can turn around your logic and say how come the Spurs needed an 80% Manu to come back from an injury to consolidate a 9-0 run? (i.e. the Spurs need Manu, not as bad as they need TD, but they would not have won last years championship and they certainly will not win this one, if Manu is not playing for the Spurs, and healthy, I might add).
But whatever, you miss the point, as usual. This has never been about TD>Manu or Manu>TD. That is a stupid discussion in itself. This (at least for me) has been about MB saying Manu owes all his NBA achievements to TD (and TP also owes TD everything he is).
If you don't think that statment is pure idiocy, then you are as dumb as MB
Do you believe the you wright?
How do you turn:
into "Manu>TD" or "Manu is on par with TD".
I have said here and in a million threads TD>Manu.
I only used that statement to emphasize the fact Manu can play ball without TD (at this point, I'm beginning to think Manu is simply a role player)
Please stop twisting the truth.
Hey Peter, Did anyone say that if Manu were playing for Knicks they'll get the finals??? If so, don't pay attention, he/she is kidding you
yep that someone was me.
I could have said: "Manu runs the court quicker than TD" and this moron would've interpreted as: "Smeagol said Manu>TD"
Too bad this moron has been posting logical, great posts at this website since 90% of the children in this thread were in diapers.
The issue was the value of TD to Manu and Parker. The claim was that Manu would be great on his own in the NBA. The Olymics were offered as proof of that. I've disagreed strenuously with that.
Hey Peter, Did anyone say that if Manu were playing for Knicks they'll get the finals??? If so, don't pay attention, he/she is kidding you
Is that not the implication? If Manu doesn't need TD to be great, surely he could carry a team on his own into the postseason.
Still trying to spin the truth eh porky? Keep trying. Maybe someday you'll convince more than 3 people.
This is what I don't understand about Parker homers. The inferiority complex that follows everytime Manu is recognized as a great player. Weird. It isn't Ginobili's fault that Parker isn't quite as good as he is.If Ginobili was the fantastic best player in the NBA without Duncan.
How come the Spurs lost the top spot in the west to Phoenix when Duncan got hurt at the end of the year?
How come Ginobili didn't lead them to the "same" or "better" record??
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I said Manu was there (ie in the Finals and All-Star) due to TD's presence. As it stands, Manu is a borderline All-Star in the NBA and when he's had the chance to carry a team on his own, he's not exactly done so, as last season attested.
My answers ...
1) Manu would be great on his .... YES
2) The Olympics is a proof .... nah, many Intl players dont have success in this league
3) hey man, what did you do with you vbookies?
Great logic there sport. So because Marcus made snese in the 90s I have to believe everything he says.
And I'm older than you, Tquitter.
the olympics were offered as proof that ginobili can succeed without duncan, nothing more. i don't know what block is in place that makes you misunderstand that. you are wrong, and it wasn't a big deal till you kept trying to refute it for 5 pages. no matter how much you keep posting, you will still be wrong. deal with it.
Oooh. That's gotta hurt.
Good for you.And I'm older than you, Tquitter
So what? That isn't the NBA. There were plenty of reasons why he could succeed in the Olympics while not be a dominant force in the NBA. Pointing to the Olympics to prove that Manu doesn't need TD in the NBA makes no sense.
Ah yes, I'm right you're wrong nanny nanny poo poo.you are wrong, and it wasn't a big deal till you kept trying to refute it for 5 pages. no matter how much you keep posting, you will still be wrong. deal with it.
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