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If You want to know if Scola can run, Jump and Block, look at him 4 years ago in Indy
http://www.autoservizi.com.ar/scola_jermaine.wmv
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You forgot the argument Hedo > Manu in 2004 where he got owned by whottt.
I forgot about that one myself. But that's not as good as the immortal, "I want to see Ron Mercer running the point".
Chump gets owned... well pretty much any time he takes a definitive stand on something, which is why you never see him do that.
However...I don't really disagree with anything he's saying on the boards right now, except I like Scola more this year than I did last year.
My take on Scola: I don't think he will be the defensive liability that many seem to think. He never has been when I have seen him. He does what he is supposed to do on D, plays hard, and isn't soft.
I think his problems coming to the NBA will be that his offensive game won't translate well to the NBA, and I am still worried about his rebounding. We really need a damn big than can rebound...we can't afford another 4+ million ing dollars a year for a ing bigman that can't even get 6 boards a game. We need at least one role playing big that can rebound better than some of the good 2 guards in the NBA.
The bigmen in the NBA are faster, more athletic and bigger than they are in Europe, the style of inside play is completely different, and I think much of Scola's success is due to the quality of bigs he is playing against. There's been one truly impressive bigman in Euroleague history, that was also impressive in the NBA...until this changes I am going to be skeptical.
I will say this though...I am more in favor of signing Scola now than I was last year...if small ball is going to be a big part of our and the NBA's future, then Scola's NBA transition and game will benefit...he can be effective in an uptempo small ball style of play.
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If You want to know if Scola can run, Jump and Block, look at him 4 years ago in Indy
http://www.autoservizi.com.ar/scola_jermaine.wmv
No more words necessary
Even if it translates to the NBA, it's hard to see how it would mesh effectively with Tim's.
most of his points will go well with td playin at the top settin pick n roles.
eh?
You want Scola and Tim to run the pick and roll? I don't think that will be Pop's strategy.
I like many others am not entirely convinced, his rebounding is weak and he's not athletic. Other international stars that the Spurs have picked up that possess the "not athletic" trait include Oberto, Gaze and Heal. The first two have both been proclaimed at one point in time the best player from their respective nations.
It is by no means a sure thing that Scola's game will translate to the NBA, let alone mesh with Tim Duncans so IMO its not worth giving him 4-5M a year.
I would think the Spurs have some leverage on the amount of the contract Scola signs with them. If he doesn't work a deal this summer he either has to 1) extend a long term deal in Europe 2) play next year on a last year deal with Tau risking injury and no future contract in place or 3) accept an NBA deal and begin the two year clock ticking on gettign a better NBA payday if he's any good when he negotiates as a restricted free agent.
^^ Agree, the situation isn't the same than with Jasikevicious : it's Spurs or Tau for Scola. I think $10M/3 years isn't a pipe dream.
I'm sold on Scola, I think he can be a good nba player.
Alright everybody, what do you think would be Scola's numbers next year as a Spur, and his peak production after he acclimates.
Convince me we need to spend the MLE on him instead of addressing other needs. I'm listening.
Step up, hootie.
First tell me who the Spurs can realistically acquire as an alternative using their MLE and also tell me if you are certain that Scola will require the full MLE to sign.
3 million a year for 3 yearsI have no problem paying scola
the mle for 3 years I do
that is close to being the number pick in the nba gets
Anyone who wouldn't require more. Lists are everywhere, and our needs are well known.Tell me you are certain he wouldn't.and also tell me if you are certain that Scola will require the full MLE to sign.
I think Scola will be a good servicable player in the NBA. Not a great one. I like Jasikevicious a little better. Its a feeling I have.
Not certain but I think there is a chance he can be had for less than MLE.
Scola is an asset. He can be signed, particualrly if for less than MLE, and used. He can be signed, particularly if for less than MLE, and hope he explodes a la Nocioni and not a la Sarunas, and then he is a very valubale trade assest. He can be traded before he enters the NBA. So it all depends on what the mix is of what you can get and how.
If he could be signed for Nocioni money, that wouldn't be so bad. I need to be sold on his being worth more than that, because I don't think his trade stock will be any higher than it is now.
You never know. Nocioni came into the NBA with questions about whether he was athletic enough and with a reputation of being a shaky shooter.
Did you Watch the USA-Argentina match in 2002?
Did you see the HUGE block of Scola over Jermaine O'Neal?
Do you think a guy with just low vertical would be able to do that?
He averaged 7 rebounds per game in Spanish league Regular season, that's pretty nice for european standards in top teams, For instance, Nicola Vujkic (6'11"), who made tho the ideal Euroleague Starting lineup at the Center Spot, averages less rebounds per game.Or his rebounding average.
And in current Spanish playoff, Scola is averaging 21 ppg and 11.5 rpg, something monstruous for european standards. His latest opopnents were, amongs Others Fran Vasquez 6'11" PF, #11 draft pick by Orlando, and He Scored 24 pts and 17 rebs against him in last game...
Why do you remember such players, and fail to remember NOCIONI?I remember Oberto was there too. And Ruben Wolkowyski. And Pepe Sanchez. Some games don't translate, and Scola's contract would be about 20 to 30 times that of Fizer at this point.
do you know that he was Scola's teammate?
Do you know that he was clearly behind Scola in performance in the same team?
Do you know that, unlike Sanchez ,Oberto or Wolkowisky, Scola has ATHLETICISM? he won't be an athletic freak, but has at least above average athleticism ofr being a NBA PF?
Do you know his D has improved a lot?
Do you know that when he faced NBA players, he has scored a lot on them, using ONE ON ONE moves (unlike other FIBA players, who tend to score more against NBA players in complex collective plays)? and he's almost stoppable in One on One? he has to be guarded in Europe using complex zone defense that are never seen in NBA?
Exactly -- you never know. So if it's not too expensive to find out, great. If he costs a lot of money and forecloses our other options with the midlevel, then it's a pretty dangerous risk.
When is the beginnng of free agency signing relative to the World Championships?
Will the Spurs get one more look at Scola against guys like Petro, Diaw maybe the USA before they have to get into the free agency pool?
the WBC starts 2nd half of August, but there should be tune-up games and tournys before that.
Free Agency typically starts July 1. But with the new CBA I don't remember how the negotiating period and the signing period work now.
Well said and I agree completely. The league dynamics have changed since Scola was drafted. While he may have been a fit a few years ago, it's very possible he doesn't fit now.
Like El Mago stated, we need rebounding, quickness and athleticism from a player in the 6-9 or 6-10 size range.
With the compe ion the Spurs will be facing from the perennial contenders and emerging teams, there's no sense settling for any player that doesn't provide those skills.
From behind? As JO is on the way up? Yes.So what does that mean his numbers will be in the NBA?He averaged 7 rebounds per game in Spanish league Regular season, that's pretty nice for european standards in top teams, For instance, Nicola Vujkic (6'11"), who made tho the ideal Euroleague Starting lineup at the Center Spot, averages less rebounds per game.
And in current Spanish playoff, Scola is averaging 21 ppg and 11.5 rpg, something monstruous for european standards. His latest opopnents were, amongs Others Fran Vasquez 6'11" PF, #11 draft pick by Orlando, and He Scored 24 pts and 17 rebs against him in last game...He's been discussed, dumbass.Why do you remember such players, and fail to remember NOCIONI?
do you know that he was Scola's teammate?I disagree. At best he would be average in that respect.[quote[Do you know his D has improved a lot?Do you know that, unlike Sanchez ,Oberto or Wolkowisky, Scola has ATHLETICISM? he won't be an athletic freak, but has at least above average athleticism ofr being a NBA PF?
Do you know that when he faced NBA players, he has scored a lot on them, using ONE ON ONE moves (unlike other FIBA players, who tend to score more against NBA players in complex collective plays)? and he's almost stoppable in One on One? he has to be guarded in Europe using complex zone defense that are never seen in NBA?[/QUOTE]There are lots of things in Europe that we never see in the NBA.
I know what Scola does and how he does it - and that is precisely why I'm not all that excited about blowing the MLE on him. Last summer, I was all for it. This year, I need convincing since we have other more pressing needs. Your condescending diatribe didn't work in that respect.
alot of blocks the guy is on his toes he does not jump
had oneal watched more film on scola before the game I am not sold that he would have been blocked
hahahahahahhaha
Too many people never saw Scola playing in Europe or in Front of the Great NBA players, like Duncan, Gasol, Jermaine, Big Ben, Irk and others, and they are saying 2,5 millions is a lot of money
Nazr is in the Marker a Full MLE Player, Malik Rose too, Rasho is a 7 M a year, or Worst Keith Van Horn is a 15 M player
I donīt think full MLE but 3-4 millions a year isnīt too much, for a player who can score 24 Points and 17 R, in a FIBA game, and i say FIBA games because these games are of 40 minutes, not 48, this a performance of 30 minutes and in the NBA every starters plays 35-40 minutes
In the NBA with 20 Minutes a Game, Scola can score around of 10 Points and 4-5 Rebounds, in 5-6 Attempts, heīs a +70 FT shooter and probably is the only player who can play in the Clutch with Duncan, because the other Nazr-Rasho-Oberto canīt
In the NBA heīll be a Rookie but Scola right now have:
1 WC Championship with a Final appearance
1 Olympic Games with a Final too
2 Final Fours in Europe
He probably played at least 20 games like the Game 7 of a NBA Playoffs
Someones in the NBA will never have his experience with Really great Numbers
Olympic Final: 25 Points (10/13 FG) and 11 Rebounds
Semis vs USA: 10 Points (5/11 FG) and 4 Rebounds and ...2 Blocks
vs Spain and Gasol: 28 Points (12/18 FG)and 9 Rebounds
vs Yao and China: 15 Points (6/7 FG) and 4 RB is a Garbage Game
And we can try to sign him first and let him play with a 3-4 Million contract, if he canīt play too many team still will be interested in an trade for him
$2.5 million would be fine as I have said so many times before -- I simply don't believe that will be his asking price because of the buyout.
I don't need Scola's CV in every other post -- I know it and I have seen the games you speak of.
10 and 5 in 20mpg may not be enough to convince me to drop $4 million on the guy this summer.
It seems your nick would be more accurate without the 'Dumper'...
Before go into namecalling, learn something about quoting, apart from that, also learn something about Basketball concepts, strategy, tactics, fundamentals....your empty insults seem an easy escape when you're out of arguments....
You still fail to acknowledge that the sames concerns about Nocioni were present the moment he signed the bulls, you also fail to grasp that Scola is quite closer to Nocioni regarding mental strenghtm physical skills, and athleticism than to Oberto, Wolkowyski or Sanchez....You also fail to grasp that, after realizing Scola is at least average in phisical strenght, athleticism and speed for the NBA PF standards, he has a lot of things FAR ABOVE the average NBA PF...INTELLIGENCE (something it seems that even you need a lot), footwork (no more than 3 NBA player has the uqn y/uqlity of Scola's post moves), fundamentals, team awareness intensity and a great winner character....
Again, you're missing basketball concepts, the lack of Zone defense would benefit him, so, it's not like that part of NBA rules would hurt his game.There are lots of things in Europe that we never see in the NBA.Do you know that when he faced NBA players, he has scored a lot on them, using ONE ON ONE moves (unlike other FIBA players, who tend to score more against NBA players in complex collective plays)? and he's almost stoppable in One on One? he has to be guarded in Europe using complex zone defense that are never seen in NBA?
I told this zillions of time before Nocioni entered the NBA, ignorants rant about paying him 3 mill per year...and I told them over and over that it was a bargain...now the same scenario is with Scola...I know what Scola does and how he does it - and that is precisely why I'm not all that excited about blowing the MLE on him. Last summer, I was all for it. This year, I need convincing since we have other more pressing needs. Your condescending diatribe didn't work in that respect.
FWIW, Gasol stats were 11ppg and 5 rpg in Spanish league, before winning the ROY, Nocioni Stats were inferior in Tau Ceramica (Scola and Nocioni team back then) than what he got in the latest playoffs, leading the Bulls, if you want to call someone 'dumbass', at least learn to understand Basketball, and to acknoeledge that European basketball is quite a more collective game, the ballhog figure is almost non-existant then, at least in the best TEAMS...
I almost forgot, the Block of Scola to JO was from behind, so? I was talking about his vertical, when many guys say he can't jump, I give them an example he can, I wasn't talking about how well executed was the block.
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