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At this point, they should start shopping Parker.
All these people claiming that the team is crap and that the FO don't know what they are doing should outline a PLAUSIBLE scenario that the Spurs have missed out on whereby we significantly increase our talent level.
Joel Pryz? C'mon, he's another Rasho with a bit more rebounding. Wells/Harrington? Not ever going to happen. The simple fact is that there isn't much on offer this year for us to do that would vault the team to favourite status (and who wants to be favourites anyway?).
Winning championships is primarily about luck with injuries and chemistry. If the current roster gels like they did in 2005, it's as good as any other Spurs roster.
Remember 2005? We played 7-deep the entire playoffs because Pop unly trusted 7 of his players, yet it worked out.
Remember 2003? What was so much better then than what we have now? We got surprising contributions from castoffs like Kerr in that championship run, otherwise we wouldn't have made it. Oh, and Tony and Manu were both role players, not stars.
Give the team a chance to show you what it is capable of before you start assigning when it's going out of the playoffs, please!
At this point, they should start shopping Parker.
And right there you show your ignorance. Why the would we trade Bowen??? He's on a small contract, is the best defender of 1-3s in the league, and everyone loves him. He is the glue guy on this team.
But no, let's trade him!
You just shot your credibility out yer arse.
The loss of Bowen or Manu can be offset for a limited time by Finley, but your right a Parker injury would be devistatingI don't think the Spurs could handle injuries to the top 3-4 players for a long period of time. You'd be f..ked if Parker got hurt for any length of time.
He does have long range, and it is what he does best ... but he hasn't made a name doing it (Unlike Kerr)Finley's the best we have, Bowens good if he's on his spot and doesn't have to create the shot himself. Other then that, Parker's average...Manu's streaky. We don't have that sweet stroke outside guy like Kerr...or SJax...or what Barry should be.
Maybe Bonner helps with that, iuno.
And that was the key to the Mavs win, "No doubles of Duncan and make the others beat us"All I know is he scares the out of me when he has an open 3 pointer.
Teams need that pure shooter
Can Butler play defense on Howard? If not, then they will have the same problem as last year. When the Mavs play small these are the match-upsButler and Woods will take the Spurs past the Mavs without breaking a sweat.
Harris - Parker
Terry - Manu
Howard - ????
Dirk - Bowen
Diop - Duncan
If you put a center on the floor he has to guard Howard. Can Butler guard a fast SF?
And Mr Body, you just shot yours.
Why would we trade Parker? A 24yo PG who was a first time all-star last year, on a very reasonable contract for the next 5 years, who knows the Spurs inside out, and was the Spurs' best player last year. Oh, and whose jumpshot is starting to look markedly improved.
Yeah, let's trade him for Stephon Marbury!
Pulease, go jump off the cliff already, these ideas are not helping anyone.
Udrih could keep us afloat if Parker was injured...as long as it's not a big game, or a playoff game.
Finley could fill in Manu for an extended period of time.
My concern is if Duncan goes down. In the past Rasho/Nazr played better when Timmy was injured or on the bench. But where would go for our low post punch now? Not Elson...I love his game but he's filling a role and offense firepower isn't one of them. I guess you have to hope Jackie Butler is the answer.
LMAO - he pulled out the matchup list in July!
I'm half-assed joking.
However, I do think Parker will be traded eventually, when his value is at a peak. I don't think he'll ever be much more than he is right now - an excellent scorer and ball-handler. He might develop a good jumpshot, but he'll never be more than an adequate floor general. I could see them trading him in three years or so once he plateaus, in order to get someone who can truly orchestrate an offense plus some other young talent. This would match the decline of Manu and Duncan as playmakers, as they age.
But no, not right now. I was kidding.
I didn't say who was better, I mearly pointed out the reason that you want an athletic SF. A center will not see the floor when playing the Mavs, signing a center does not make this team more able to beat the Mavs.LMAO - he pulled out the matchup list in July!
Signing a SF would go along way. that gap in the "match-up" will be there ... right now it will be filled by either Finley or Barry, I am sure that will not make many of you happy ... but its the truth.
The one team that you couldn't beat last year didn't loss any real pieces, what they will throw at you has not changed and without signing a SF that can guard Howard, what you will do to stop it has not changed.
Now what Butler will do is inable you to match-up Duncan a little better as at 6-10 he is more a PF then C. You could move Duncan to guard either the PF or C position without worrying about Butler being "to slow" for PFs
But that doesn't address the problem with facing the team that ended your season this past year.
Body, fair enough that you were joking. Once Tim has faded significantly, I could see that scenario playing out too... maybe. But that's a long way off.
C'mon naysayers, where are these PLAUSIBLE scenarios that would have so improved our roster???
Please outline them, I am interested.
If there was no salary cap, life would be easy. We could have a lineup of:
Parker/Banks/Udrih
Manu/Finley/Salmons
Bowen/Wells/Williams
Duncan/Gooden/Horry
Wallace/Pryzbilla/Oberto
But, unfortunately, THERE IS A CAP and we have to abide by it.
Strangely enough, I don't think the team above would've worked that well anyway. Banks and Wells would whinge about pt, Gooden is much better starting than off the bench, none of our centres can score a lick, and there's not a huge quan y of good 3-pt shooting there.
We are Butler and a shooter away from having a well balanced roster this year (like it or not, looks like Williams is our long defensive backup 3 for a year while we find a young guy, and I don't mind that too much).
Meh, we'll try Elson on Dirk and Bowen on Howard and see what happens.
RROS-- If we get Butler and manage a trade for a difference-making SF, then it'll be a successful offseason (and I'll get over my Jak-heartbreak). That SF has to be better than Rasual Butler.
Why do you say that?
At 24, Chauncey Billups was a below-average floor general, and Nash was nothing to write home about at that age either. That's a skill that a lot of PGs seem to pick up over time.
There's no guarantee that Parker will be one of them, but I can't see why you'd write him off already.
You want a signing
Adrian Griffen. With the Mavs signing of Buckner ... Griffen should be on the market .... he can guard Howard in that line-up
Harris - Parker
Terry - Manu
Howard - Griffen
Dirk - Bowen
Diop - Duncan
That looks alot better then putting a center on Howard, though you loose some offence, you gain defence.
OUCH, how long before Elton fouls out?Meh, we'll try Elson on Dirk and Bowen on Howard and see what happens.
Elson may look pretty good next year if he can cover Dirk even semi-decently.
Of course, we'll still have to see if he really can.
I'll enjoy being wrong, but he has a selfish streak and tunnel vision/lack of peripheral vision in 7/10 plays. I concede it may simply be youthful exuberance. But even Billups isn't a natural playmaker - he's Mr. Big Shot, not Mr. Big Pass. It's not natural to these guys like it is for the Kidds, Stocktons, and Pauls of the world.
That is what confuses me about the moves that the Spurs are making. It was not the match-up with Howard that ended the Spurs season, it was creating the match-up that was the problem.
With that one move (moving Harris into a starter position) the Mavs took the Spurs out of there comfert zone and what they did all season, they forced the Spurs to remove their center .... As weak as Nazr and Rasho were they did contribute and they did take a starters spot and minutes.
That move forced another SF into the game instead of coming off the bench, and messed up the player rotations.
Howard didn't kill the Spurs, the match-up problem did and the Spurs moves to this point have not address that at all.
He's stayed in Mav games before. I'm not overly worried. We have plenty of people to throw at him.
I missed that.
Butler is a center, Bonner won't start, and Williams is younger than Bowen. If Butler turns out to be remotely decent the Spurs will be flirting with 60 wins again. If the Spurs change up their game plan and try something they've never done before as soon as the playoffs start they will get their asses kicked again.
This tactic works against Shaq, Wallace and to a lesser degree Duncan, but Dirk hits his FTs ... it could get ugly.He's stayed in Mav games before. I'm not overly worried. We have plenty of people to throw at him.
I have a question - On a team with all-world defence Bowen and Duncan ... why would you put Elson on Dirk?
I'm not talking hacking Dirk, just rotating defenders.
Elson is one of many options. One that might get a board every so often. In the real world outside of paper matchups this is what happens.
Jump shooting teams don't win championships. Up until this year, the Spurs defense forced teams into becoming jump shooting teams. The Miami Heat won the le by forcing the Mavericks into being a jump shooting team.
Slow your role, big boy.
Him adding a jumpshot would be a HUGE difference to his game from what it is now. Also, you talk about trading him for a 'adequate floor general' but what exactly will he be orchestrating?
This team IS tony parker 5-10 years from now. Without him, it'll be a PG leading scrubs.
Is there any reason Elson can't do for us what Haslem did for the Heat?
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